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I have a Gen 4 G23. I shoot HST 180 grainers for SD. The Speer golddot 165 gr or the Ranger T 165 grainers are good for SD as well. This is according to Mas Ayoob based on actual shootings. As far as target ammo, use the grains that are the same as your self defense load. SG ammo has lots of great stuff at good prices.
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