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SWEET! What caliber you thinkin for this build?
5.56 nato just like it was intended lol. Im thinking of doing a budget clone build, i like the carry handle uppers but they are pricey, i probably will get a standard upper and put the detachable carry handle on. I love my m&p but kinda want something i can be a little rough on and not worry about it lol
 

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I thought zenith screwed MKE and tried to bribe the CEO? I know mke started having quality issues around the same time zenith and mke were feuding. Either way I'm getting mine...lol.
At over 2k you may as well pony up the extra cash and buy a HK.
I posted this about 2 years ago;
Zenith Firearms Cuts Ties with MKE – New Product Launch in 2021

Zenith Firearms is a family-owned company based in Afton, Virginia. I remember them clearly from my last SHOT Show visit, where one of their employees took a lot of time and effort to show me around and explain their products. I appreciated that, a lot.

MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) fairly well, but mostly from a firearms point of view. I don’t own one, because with the limited firearms we can own where I live I had to make a choice between B&T and an MP5 clone and I went with the modern alternative. However, I have a lot of friends who own firearms from MKE, anything from short MP5s to HK G3 clones, and shot one as late as last week.

Zenith Firearms and MKE have a long relationship, but all things come to an end.

This press release serves as an announcement that Zenith Firearms will no longer be importing MKE-produced firearms. The philosophy that Zenith has always carried is to reach for excellence with integrity. The product that we brought to the US market is high-quality, the customer service that we provide is superior, the ammunition that we now import is of excellent quality. Zenith is just getting started. We have opened a retail gun shop in Afton, VA, and continue to service and custom-build all manners of firearms. Zenith will continue to service those models that were imported under its brand and will continue to work on roller-delayed firearms sent to us for repair, upgrades and refurbishments. Zenith arguably has one of the most capable gunsmithing workshops in the US.

Many have asked what happened between Zenith and MKE. So, here is a factual account. Please note that MKE is a government entity and in many ways immune to retribution, and business rationale is a secondary consideration.

MKE had a product liability lawsuit dating from 1976 with the plaintiff, Mr. Ohntrup, in Pennsylvania, in which judgement was entered in favor of the plaintiff with a significant monetary award. MKE refused to settle with the Pennsylvania defendants and the award grew to nearly $42 million (https://casetext.com/case/ohntrup-v-makina-ve-kimyaendustrisi-kurumu-1). Consequently, MKE products were prevented from importation into the US. ATI attempted to import their product in 2009-2010, but were quickly prohibited.

In 2011, one of Zenith’s owners, who had been a longstanding representative for MKE in other countries, was approached by buyers from Walmart to import MKE ammunition during the period of ammunition shortage. Zenith went to work, first settling MKE’s legal matters to ensure imports would not be stopped, by preparing a $4.47million settlement to Mrs. Ohntrup (the widow of the plaintiff), and then preparing contracts with MKE and Walmart for the first year of product importation. This led to the successful importation of 111million rounds of ZQI ammunition in 2012-2013, and the relationship formed the foundation of Zenith’s firearms business with priority given to the importation of MKE-made firearms.

When the ammunition shortage ended, Walmart essentially liquidated their stock of ZQI ammunition below cost and destroyed the market for ZQI and its partners. The contract with MKE however was set to continue ammunition imports for an additional 12 months at a price no longer viable in the US. Knowing that Zenith would be suffering a considerable loss due to the ammunition pricing, the defined agreement between Zenith and MKE was that the loss would be borne by Zenith but corrected through firearm imports and the cooperation of Zenith and MKE in order to build a robust US market for MKE products. The aim was to eventually manufacture 922R parts here in the US, as a joint effort between Zenith and MKE. Unfortunately, in the end, Zenith absorbed all the loss and paid the settlement, and was left in debt to MKE.

In 2015-2016, MKE’s factory manager, Mr. Tanriverdi, attempted to elicit a bribe from Zenith’s owner, Kutlay Kaya, to be given the technical data packages of the Z-series firearms and the new MPT-55 and MPT-76. When MKE’s management failed to deal with the problem, Mr. Kaya took the case to the authorities which led to the arrest and imprisonment of Mr. Tanriverdi for treason (https://www.dailysabah.com/investigations/2016/12/14/man-faces-prison-term-for-saleof-weapon-project). Instead of this action bringing forth better relations, it appeared that it was the beginning of a troubled relationship with MKE.

Just when Zenith was anticipating an increase in firearms imports and the release of long-awaited WWII surplus ammunition, the July 2016 coup attempt occurred and all MKE’s effort was diverted to the local needs in Turkey. Zenith waited. MKE focused on manufacturing their new infantry rifle, the MPT, and Zenith continued to wait. Management at MKE changed several times, and each change meant less understanding of the value of Zenith’s reintroduction of MKE products, brand and impact on the US market. Certified delivery schedules became meaningless and late deliveries missed critical market deadlines, in one instance resulting in a $1.8million loss. Additionally, product prices increased with inflation at 10% per year, even when no product was delivered in a given year. Zenith remained protective of MKE’s reputation throughout and continued working towards establishing honest trade which would have brought great success to both parties.

In January 2019, a new agreement was put in place with much effort to ensure shipments would be on a monthly basis. MKE used more subcontractors to overcome their filled capacity as the MPT production remained a priority and it led to manufacturing and quality deficits. Intentional sabotage was even suspected. However, Zenith corrected the significant quality control issues here in the US while making the concerns known to MKE. MKE accused Zenith of being in breach of contract according to payment schedules and Zenith countered that the quality issues constituted a priority breach and prevented products being put into the market. To this day, funds that were sent to MKE in mid-2019 for product orders have been diverted to the ammunition debt that Zenith has been working to clear since 2016. This act alone is illegal since the financial matters were in two separate companies (Zenith Firearms vs Zenith Quest International). It appeared that MKE’s then deputy manager, Mehmet Unal, was set on working with others, cancelling Zenith’s contractual exclusivity as Zenith refused to line pockets and were insistent on necessary corrections being made. Management changed again in late 2019, and at Shot Show 2020, MKE informed Zenith that they appointed a new company as their exclusive representative to the US. They have since proceeded to select Century Arms as the company that they will use to import MKE’s MP-5 clones. In October 2020, Century released a video in which they showed their AP-5 with black tape over the manufacturer and importer names. One can

only assume it is because “Zenith Firearms” is actually engraved on the receiver.

The focus of Zenith remains on servicing the US firearms industry with excellent product and service. For more information on our services and products visit www.zenithfirearms.com and www.zqiammunition.com.

Source: Zenith Firearms Blog
 

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I posted this about 2 years ago;
Zenith Firearms Cuts Ties with MKE – New Product Launch in 2021

Zenith Firearms is a family-owned company based in Afton, Virginia. I remember them clearly from my last SHOT Show visit, where one of their employees took a lot of time and effort to show me around and explain their products. I appreciated that, a lot.

MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) fairly well, but mostly from a firearms point of view. I don’t own one, because with the limited firearms we can own where I live I had to make a choice between B&T and an MP5 clone and I went with the modern alternative. However, I have a lot of friends who own firearms from MKE, anything from short MP5s to HK G3 clones, and shot one as late as last week.

Zenith Firearms and MKE have a long relationship, but all things come to an end.

This press release serves as an announcement that Zenith Firearms will no longer be importing MKE-produced firearms. The philosophy that Zenith has always carried is to reach for excellence with integrity. The product that we brought to the US market is high-quality, the customer service that we provide is superior, the ammunition that we now import is of excellent quality. Zenith is just getting started. We have opened a retail gun shop in Afton, VA, and continue to service and custom-build all manners of firearms. Zenith will continue to service those models that were imported under its brand and will continue to work on roller-delayed firearms sent to us for repair, upgrades and refurbishments. Zenith arguably has one of the most capable gunsmithing workshops in the US.

Many have asked what happened between Zenith and MKE. So, here is a factual account. Please note that MKE is a government entity and in many ways immune to retribution, and business rationale is a secondary consideration.

MKE had a product liability lawsuit dating from 1976 with the plaintiff, Mr. Ohntrup, in Pennsylvania, in which judgement was entered in favor of the plaintiff with a significant monetary award. MKE refused to settle with the Pennsylvania defendants and the award grew to nearly $42 million (https://casetext.com/case/ohntrup-v-makina-ve-kimyaendustrisi-kurumu-1). Consequently, MKE products were prevented from importation into the US. ATI attempted to import their product in 2009-2010, but were quickly prohibited.

In 2011, one of Zenith’s owners, who had been a longstanding representative for MKE in other countries, was approached by buyers from Walmart to import MKE ammunition during the period of ammunition shortage. Zenith went to work, first settling MKE’s legal matters to ensure imports would not be stopped, by preparing a $4.47million settlement to Mrs. Ohntrup (the widow of the plaintiff), and then preparing contracts with MKE and Walmart for the first year of product importation. This led to the successful importation of 111million rounds of ZQI ammunition in 2012-2013, and the relationship formed the foundation of Zenith’s firearms business with priority given to the importation of MKE-made firearms.

When the ammunition shortage ended, Walmart essentially liquidated their stock of ZQI ammunition below cost and destroyed the market for ZQI and its partners. The contract with MKE however was set to continue ammunition imports for an additional 12 months at a price no longer viable in the US. Knowing that Zenith would be suffering a considerable loss due to the ammunition pricing, the defined agreement between Zenith and MKE was that the loss would be borne by Zenith but corrected through firearm imports and the cooperation of Zenith and MKE in order to build a robust US market for MKE products. The aim was to eventually manufacture 922R parts here in the US, as a joint effort between Zenith and MKE. Unfortunately, in the end, Zenith absorbed all the loss and paid the settlement, and was left in debt to MKE.

In 2015-2016, MKE’s factory manager, Mr. Tanriverdi, attempted to elicit a bribe from Zenith’s owner, Kutlay Kaya, to be given the technical data packages of the Z-series firearms and the new MPT-55 and MPT-76. When MKE’s management failed to deal with the problem, Mr. Kaya took the case to the authorities which led to the arrest and imprisonment of Mr. Tanriverdi for treason (https://www.dailysabah.com/investigations/2016/12/14/man-faces-prison-term-for-saleof-weapon-project). Instead of this action bringing forth better relations, it appeared that it was the beginning of a troubled relationship with MKE.

Just when Zenith was anticipating an increase in firearms imports and the release of long-awaited WWII surplus ammunition, the July 2016 coup attempt occurred and all MKE’s effort was diverted to the local needs in Turkey. Zenith waited. MKE focused on manufacturing their new infantry rifle, the MPT, and Zenith continued to wait. Management at MKE changed several times, and each change meant less understanding of the value of Zenith’s reintroduction of MKE products, brand and impact on the US market. Certified delivery schedules became meaningless and late deliveries missed critical market deadlines, in one instance resulting in a $1.8million loss. Additionally, product prices increased with inflation at 10% per year, even when no product was delivered in a given year. Zenith remained protective of MKE’s reputation throughout and continued working towards establishing honest trade which would have brought great success to both parties.

In January 2019, a new agreement was put in place with much effort to ensure shipments would be on a monthly basis. MKE used more subcontractors to overcome their filled capacity as the MPT production remained a priority and it led to manufacturing and quality deficits. Intentional sabotage was even suspected. However, Zenith corrected the significant quality control issues here in the US while making the concerns known to MKE. MKE accused Zenith of being in breach of contract according to payment schedules and Zenith countered that the quality issues constituted a priority breach and prevented products being put into the market. To this day, funds that were sent to MKE in mid-2019 for product orders have been diverted to the ammunition debt that Zenith has been working to clear since 2016. This act alone is illegal since the financial matters were in two separate companies (Zenith Firearms vs Zenith Quest International). It appeared that MKE’s then deputy manager, Mehmet Unal, was set on working with others, cancelling Zenith’s contractual exclusivity as Zenith refused to line pockets and were insistent on necessary corrections being made. Management changed again in late 2019, and at Shot Show 2020, MKE informed Zenith that they appointed a new company as their exclusive representative to the US. They have since proceeded to select Century Arms as the company that they will use to import MKE’s MP-5 clones. In October 2020, Century released a video in which they showed their AP-5 with black tape over the manufacturer and importer names. One can

only assume it is because “Zenith Firearms” is actually engraved on the receiver.

The focus of Zenith remains on servicing the US firearms industry with excellent product and service. For more information on our services and products visit www.zenithfirearms.com and www.zqiammunition.com.

Source: Zenith Firearms Blog
Ahhh! There we go!
 

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I bought one of these Active Progear “Push Holsters for a reasonable price! Interesting holster make! I'll let you know how it works out!!!!!!! View attachment 270616
I bought this holster for my Glock 43. I got the leather model and it fits well. The holster secures below the belt line and I wear it about the 3 o’clock position! .
 

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CCI pest control and centerfire pistol shot shell ammunition[10]
Name/caliberMuzzle velocity in ft/s (m/s)Shot size No.Approx. weight in grains (grams)Box count
.22 Long Rifle1000 (300)1231 (2)20
.22 Magnum1000 (300)1252 (3.36)20
9mm Luger1450 (440)1253 (3.43)10
Big 4 9mm Luger1000 (300)445 (2.92)10
.38 Spl/.357 Mag1000 (300)9100 (6.48)10
Big 4 .38 Spl/.357 Mag1000 (300)484 (5.44)10
.40 S&W1250 (380)988 (5.7)10
.44 Spl/.44 Mag1000 (300)9140 (9.07)10
Big 4 .44 Spl/.44 Mag1000 (300)4110 (7.13)10
.45 ACP1100 (335)9120 (7.78)10
.45 Colt1000 (300)9150 (9.72)10
Big 4 .45 Colt800 (245)4140 (9.07)10


 

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Carl Zeiss Conquest V4 1-4x24 Illuminated #60 Rifle Scope

Built to support a dual use between short range hunting and immediate target acquiring, Carl Zeiss Conquest V4 1-4x24 Illuminated #60 Rifle Scope keeps a 114ft-28.5ft wide field of view for spread vicinity awareness. An instrumental 1-4x magnification keeps a real vision, 1x unmagnified outlook with both eyes opening manoeuvre and 4x zooming ratio into extended, shorter range sight.

Conquest V4 1-4x comes in two variants; in this model, a capped elevation turret complements the second focal plane reticle placing of illuminated Plex-style with dot (categorised by Zeiss reticle numbering of 60). Featuring an elevation and windage adjustment range of 100 MOA value capped with 1/2 MOA per click setting, Carl Zeiss Conquest V4 1-4x24 Illuminated #60 Rifle Scope comes in a rugged 30mm main tube construct for rough-treating outdoor use. Withstanding even 400mbar; 13ft submersion up to 2 hours, this optic is further nitrogen purged for fogproof attribute upon the labours of nature, keeping it in active usage when needed most.

Carl Zeiss Conquest V4 1-4x24 Illuminated #60 Rifle Scope uses a 3.5 inches / 88.9mm eye relief preventing recoil injury, while a 24mm objective lens coated with trademark T* 6-layer multi-coating and LotuTec surface coat bolster a light transmission of 90 percent, keeping water and mud out for an unclogged view.

This optic is stringent shock tested of up to 1500 times g-force, serving as an equivalent to the shooting load of .460 Weatherby Magnum calibre.

My Gun Guy sent me this ,as a solution for my Ruger#1 ! My reply ?????? See ya in 10 minutes
 

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Went round and picked up the new scope! Thank goodness ,I got a good discount on it ! I've never used a illuminated type scope so it's going to be interesting to see how it goes!
I bet you`ll find that you`ll like the lower illuminated settings better than the high settings.
And if you have any amount a astigmatism, the illuminated part of the reticle will look like a starburst to your eye. (ask me how i know😟)
 

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Side saddle for my Tac-14 20 GA.

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Sparky, what brand is that side saddle? My wife is looking for one for her Rem870. I see yours holds 7 rounds. That`s exactly what she`s looking for. Does it hold the shells pretty tight so they can`t fall out? How does the saddle attach to the gun(?)
 

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I bet you`ll find that you`ll like the lower illuminated settings better than the high settings.
And if you have any amount a astigmatism, the illuminated part of the reticle will look like a starburst to your eye. (ask me how i know😟)
I set it on it's lowest setting! I tried the highest setting and it was like looking in to a camera flash !!!!! Low is very ,very good ! High ?Never again!!!!!😵😵😵😵😵😵
 

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I set it on it's lowest setting! I tried the highest setting and it was like looking in to a camera flash !!!!! Low is very ,very good ! High ?Never again!!!!!😵😵😵😵😵😵
That`s the way i run all mine. I only turn them up just enough to offset the contrast of the target. I don`t use them often, but there are times that i`m glad i have them. Most of the time that i need the light on is when i`m shooting at a black paper target. The red illumination of the reticle puts me right in the center of the black dot on the target. Black reticles don`t get along to good with black bullseyes on targets. As i`ve aged, i appreciate the illuminated scopes so much more. Mainly because i dont hunt anymore, i just shoot paper now. The illuminated reticles really help alot sometimes.
 

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Sparky, what brand is that side saddle? My wife is looking for one for her Rem870. I see yours holds 7 rounds. That`s exactly what she`s looking for. Does it hold the shells pretty tight so they can`t fall out? How does the saddle attach to the gun(?)
It's a ProMag (Part number AA132 per the sticker on the bag). Just make sure the pump handle doesn't cover the receiver at its rearmost position.

It attaches using threaded pins with screws that replace the existing trigger unit pins.
I need to punch some gasket material as the pins I got are for the wider 870's.

It holds the shells firmly. There is an assembly in each slot that adds a bit of tension as seen in the exploded view in the instructions.

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I got it from eCop.
 

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It's a ProMag (Part number AA132 per the sticker on the bag). Just make sure the pump handle doesn't cover the receiver at its rearmost position.

It attaches using threaded pins with screws that replace the existing trigger unit pins.
I need to punch some gasket material as the pins I got are for the wider 870's.

It holds the shells firmly. There is an assembly in each slot that adds a bit of tension as seen in the exploded view in the instructions.

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I got it from eCop.
Thank you VERY much Sparky, for taking the time to post all this information!!! I guess i`ll have to cut out a notch in her Rem870 for the forearm to clear the saddle. Hers slides back over the front edge of the receiver just a little bit, and i actually expected that, and thank you for mentioning that. I know it will hit the side saddle without a doubt. I know i can make it work on hers though. I`m gonna do a little research on this saddle to see if they make one for the Mossberg 500/590. I have a Mossberg all tac`t out, i would love to add this saddle to it. The one i have right now is a Tac-Star, only holds 5 rounds. So a 7 round saddle would be better.
 
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