Sorry for all of the words that are run together. One of my students sent this to me and I copied and pasted it to the forum.
Watch Out! Big Brother is Watching
Watch out big brother iswatching.
>>>>Something to consider
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't have this happen, but then I wasn't at a VAdoctor's office.
>>>>>I did run into a little of this when I had to visit adoctor other
>>>>>than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation. Oneof the
>>>>>questions on the form I had to fill out was:
>>>>>Do you have any guns in your house??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My answer was "None of your damn business!!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or
>>>>>government intervention. Either way, it is out there andthe second
>>>>>the government gets into your medical records (as they wantto under
>>>>>Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimatelyresult in
>>>>>lock and load!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun
>>>>>owners...Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>Another one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinicyesterday and
>>>>>found out something very interesting that I would like topass along.
>>>>>While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I wasasked at
>>>>>the end of the exam, three questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Did I feel stressed?
>>>>>2. Did I feel threatened?
>>>>>3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes toany of the
>>>>>questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit asit would
>>>>>have gone into my medical records and the VA would havereported it
>>>>>to Homeland Security.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It looks like they are going after the vets first. Othergun people
>>>>>like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Thenwhen they go
>>>>>after the civilians, what argument will they have?
>>>>>Be forewarned and be aware!!!!! The Obama administrationhas gone on
>>>>>record as considering veterans and gun owner's potentialterrorists.
>>>>>Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not,
>>>>>
>>>>>YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
>>>>>If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on tothem. Be
>>>>>very cautious about what you say and to whom.
>>>>Something to consider
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't have this happen, but then I wasn't at a VAdoctor's office.
>>>>>I did run into a little of this when I had to visit adoctor other
>>>>>than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation. Oneof the
>>>>>questions on the form I had to fill out was:
>>>>>Do you have any guns in your house??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My answer was "None of your damn business!!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or
>>>>>government intervention. Either way, it is out there andthe second
>>>>>the government gets into your medical records (as they wantto under
>>>>>Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimatelyresult in
>>>>>lock and load!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun
>>>>>owners...Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>Another one:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I had a doctor's appointment at the local VA clinicyesterday and
>>>>>found out something very interesting that I would like topass along.
>>>>>While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I wasasked at
>>>>>the end of the exam, three questions:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Did I feel stressed?
>>>>>2. Did I feel threatened?
>>>>>3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes toany of the
>>>>>questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit asit would
>>>>>have gone into my medical records and the VA would havereported it
>>>>>to Homeland Security.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It looks like they are going after the vets first. Othergun people
>>>>>like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Thenwhen they go
>>>>>after the civilians, what argument will they have?
>>>>>Be forewarned and be aware!!!!! The Obama administrationhas gone on
>>>>>record as considering veterans and gun owner's potentialterrorists.
>>>>>Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not,
>>>>>
>>>>>YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
>>>>>If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on tothem. Be
>>>>>very cautious about what you say and to whom.
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Hmmm, so they want to know if you have any guns, and probably want to know where they are. Get ready people, Stormtroopers comin.
Like i been telling people, a revolution is coming...
Next they look at your list of meds and see you take a sleeping aide that when you read the fine print is also prescribed for depression. Big Brother says "He is taking depression meds and is suicidal". Better take his weapons!
You gave the best answer by telling that it was none their damn business!
You gave the best answer by telling that it was none their damn business!
I've heard this before and it is really annoying. All my brothers that I went to Iraq with had this pass around. For me personally the VA in the psychology section is a joke.
Let them watch all they like. Maybe they'll learn something.
I think I would just tell them " no I dont have any guns." I love the " none of your damn business!" answer, but I'm afraid they would just take that as a "yes".
Ya, I've heard reports like this from friends who went 2 VA, and even civi docs. Exercise ur 'right 2 privacy', as well as ur right 2 keep and bear arms!
I for one would just hand over my cheap guns! Like Jennings's .22 and EAA .38 stuff like that.
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Come on guys, don't fall into paranoia. I mean I know that it might look that way, but it's really not. Those questions were put there to give the doctors an idea about whether or not you are at high risk of having an accident. It's purely confidential, doctor & patient only. They just want know if you are a careless person or not. By asking "Do you always wear a seatbelt" or "Do you own guns in the home," they are assessing your risk factor. I used to have to answer one of these "post deployment health surveys" after every deployment. I had to lie a couple of times, because I got tired of the docs always bothering me when I told the truth. They thought I had an alcohol problem because I liked to drink so much on Friday & Saturday nights with my friends . It turns out that I actually did have a problem, but I'm all better now - awesome. Anyway - That's all it is...A health assessment. Plain and simple. End of story.
Come on guys, don't fall into paranoia. I mean I know that it might look that way, but it's really not. Those questions were put there to give the doctors an idea about whether or not you are at high risk of having an accident. It's purely confidential, doctor & patient only. They just want know if you are a careless person or not. By asking "Do you always wear a seatbelt" or "Do you own guns in the home," they are assessing your risk factor. I used to have to answer one of these "post deployment health surveys" after every deployment. I had to lie a couple of times, because I got tired of the docs always bothering me when I told the truth. They thought I had an alcohol problem because I liked to drink so much on Friday & Saturday nights with my friends . It turns out that I actually did have a problem, but I'm all better now - awesome. Anyway - That's all it is...A health assessment. Plain and simple. End of story.
How is a gun in a safe in any way an assessment of my families health?Come on guys, don't fall into paranoia. I mean I know that it might look that way, but it's really not. Those questions were put there to give the doctors an idea about whether or not you are at high risk of having an accident. It's purely confidential, doctor & patient only. They just want know if you are a careless person or not. By asking "Do you always wear a seatbelt" or "Do you own guns in the home," they are assessing your risk factor. I used to have to answer one of these "post deployment health surveys" after every deployment. I had to lie a couple of times, because I got tired of the docs always bothering me when I told the truth. They thought I had an alcohol problem because I liked to drink so much on Friday & Saturday nights with my friends . It turns out that I actually did have a problem, but I'm all better now - awesome. Anyway - That's all it is...A health assessment. Plain and simple. End of story.
Because the doc is about to prescribe you mood altering drugs.How is a gun in a safe in any way an assessment of my families health?
Everyone wants to be in fear that the Feds are gonna take your guns... Has anyone actually thought this is a good thing the docs are doing or is it just me?
I agree they don't want you pumped with anti depressants and you grab your gun and hurt yourself or your family. The number one side effect to any mood altering drugs are depression and suicidal thoughts. They have no idea how you will act or your deep moral standing and they just want to make your theres no chance of those thoughts already brewing somewhere.voodoo said:Because the doc is about to prescribe you mood altering drugs.
Everyone wants to be in fear that the Feds are gonna take your guns... Has anyone actually thought this is a good thing the docs are doing or is it just me?
The email in the beginning of this thread has been floating around for over 3 years. The VA long ago changed those questions because, having started immediately after a certain person took office in 2009, there was an uproar among Veterans. It didn't take long, a couple of months, before they stopped asking in the course of a normal visit. Mental health still asks if you have guns in the home, which I think is a reasonable place to ask.
This is all about keeping people safe, both the Veterans and their families. if you have firearms and are not in a good mental state, it's probably a good idea that someone knows about it and takes action to ensure everyone's safety.
People overreact and get paranoid about people doing things with good intentions.
This is all about keeping people safe, both the Veterans and their families. if you have firearms and are not in a good mental state, it's probably a good idea that someone knows about it and takes action to ensure everyone's safety.
Simple. How many kids find unsecured guns and kill themselves or someone else because they haven't been taught better? Asking if you have kids and guns, and that those guns are secured, is not unreasonable. The whole thing in Florida, where they overreacted and passed a law preventing drs from even asking the question, was stupid.How is a gun in a safe in any way an assessment of my families health?
People overreact and get paranoid about people doing things with good intentions.
I think that we have every right to be paranoid, it's just a matter of time before TSHTF
The email in the beginning of this thread has been floating around for over 3 years. The VA long ago changed those questions because, having started immediately after a certain person took office in 2009, there was an uproar among Veterans. It didn't take long, a couple of months, before they stopped asking in the course of a normal visit. Mental health still asks if you have guns in the home, which I think is a reasonable place to ask.
This is all about keeping people safe, both the Veterans and their families. if you have firearms and are not in a good mental state, it's probably a good idea that someone knows about it and takes action to ensure everyone's safety.
Simple. How many kids find unsecured guns and kill themselves or someone else because they haven't been taught better? Asking if you have kids and guns, and that those guns are secured, is not unreasonable. The whole thing in Florida, where they overreacted and passed a law preventing drs from even asking the question, was stupid.
People overreact and get paranoid about people doing things with good intentions.
The internet is like a big cesspool. This stuff just never stops and the floaters keep circling back around. Obviously a chained email by the markings>>>>>.
I've been retired now longer than I served and have never once been asked any questions of that nature while at any of the healthcare places I have to visit.
I have asked that post of this nature be removed from time to time but the Mods think it is good to allow them to stay posted for the sake of arguement. IMO I believe it makes a place look Kooky if you can't keep the trash picked up.
LEaving the posts up gives a chance for folks to "Debunk" crap like this.
However, being asked these questions is a reality. There are numerous gun forums where people (non-vets) are visiting their PC's and being asked whether or not they own firearms.
I had my physical (private dr.) two months ago and the Doctor asked very similar questions. He's pro-2A so when he got to the gun questions, he said "I know you're a gun guy, so i"m going to ask, and you can tell me 'no'." This is the 2nd time in 2 years that I've been asked these questions. Part of the driving force, I believe, is the health insurance companies and their actuators trying to adjust/compensate/identify risky behavior. What having a firearm is an indicator of risky behavior, I don't know, either way, you always have the choice to answer "no".
Keep in mind, conversations between you and your doctor are held in confidence (HIPAA regulations) and you don't have to answer the survey. The doctor is just required to ask, either by the insurance company or the medical group that they're a part of.
my $.02.
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However, being asked these questions is a reality. There are numerous gun forums where people (non-vets) are visiting their PC's and being asked whether or not they own firearms.
I had my physical (private dr.) two months ago and the Doctor asked very similar questions. He's pro-2A so when he got to the gun questions, he said "I know you're a gun guy, so i"m going to ask, and you can tell me 'no'." This is the 2nd time in 2 years that I've been asked these questions. Part of the driving force, I believe, is the health insurance companies and their actuators trying to adjust/compensate/identify risky behavior. What having a firearm is an indicator of risky behavior, I don't know, either way, you always have the choice to answer "no".
Keep in mind, conversations between you and your doctor are held in confidence (HIPAA regulations) and you don't have to answer the survey. The doctor is just required to ask, either by the insurance company or the medical group that they're a part of.
my $.02.
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Unless the doctor "thinks" there is a concern, then he may have to report it. Just ask this gentleman, David Sarti:Keep in mind, conversations between you and your doctor are held in confidence (HIPAA regulations) and you don't have to answer the survey. The doctor is just required to ask, either by the insurance company or the medical group that they're a part of.
my $.02.
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They also ask children at the doctors office.
Exactly, so make sure you know your doctor. Or just answer "no".Unless the doctor "thinks" there is a concern, then he may have to report it. Just ask this gentleman, David Sarti:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAj2A9Oiyz0
They also ask children at the doctors office.
ALso, there are multiple reports that Dr's and nurses are asking your KIDS the same questions, when you take them to the PEDS. So make sure your kids know to answer the "right way".
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