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Critics are lashing out after a man carrying a concealed pistol stopped a mass shooting at an Indiana shopping mall, arguing the man should not be called a "Good Samaritan."
"The term, ‘Good Samaritan’ came from a Bible passage of a man from Samaria who stopped on the side of the road to help a man who was injured and ignored," wrote CBS4 traffic anchor Justin Kollar on Twitter Monday. "I cannot believe we live in a world where the term can equally apply to someone killing someone… my God."
Kollar's comment comes after a gunman opened fire at a suburban Indianapolis shopping mall on Sunday, killing three people before he was gunned down by a man legally carrying a pistol, according to police. Reports on Monday found that the man who put a halt to the shooting was actually in violation of Greenwood Park Mall policy, which bans the carry of weapons in its facility.
Greenwood Mayor Mark Myers credited the man with saving several lives by killing the shooter, saying they were grateful for his "quick action and heroism."

"Someone we are calling the ‘Good Samaritan’ was able to shoot the assailant and stop further bloodshed," Meyers said in a statement. "This person saved lives tonight. On behalf of the City of Greenwood, I am grateful for his quick action and heroism in this situation."
But some critics joined Kollar in criticizing the man's actions despite him allegedly putting a stop to the mass shooting.
"The Good Samaritan paid for an unknown immigrant's health care out of pocket," comedian John Fugelsang wrote on Twitter. "The Good Samaritan did not shoot anyone. Jesus was not a fan of killing for any reason, including self-defense. But if these ammosexuals had ever read the Bible, they couldn't support the GOP or NRA."
"I don’t know who needs to hear this but when a 22-year-old illegally brings a loaded gun into a mall and kills a mass shooter armed with an AR-15 after he already killed three people and wounded others is not a ringing endorsement of our implementation of the Second Amendment," Moms Demand Action Founder Shannon Watts said on Twitter.
But despite the man's apparent lack of regard for mall rules, his actions were also praised by Greenwood Park Mall representatives.
"We grieve for the victims of yesterday’s horrific tragedy in Greenwood. Violence has no place in this or any other community. We are grateful for the strong response of the first responders, including the heroic actions of the Good Samaritan who stopped the suspect," a mall spokesperson said.

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…these malcontents are calling for the hero to be charged for ignoring this sign.🙄
It's because they want us all to die. This is the Marxist way.
 

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In a free society there is not much that can be done, that hasn't been done save one thing bring gun free shooting galleys to a end.
The Greenwood mall incident is one of two example that occurred this past week end.


I would rather dangerous freedom to safe slavery as the founders provided us with the framework to manage the consequences however we have forsaken that part, how did Mr./Dr. Franklin put it, oh yes.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
 
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Yes, and you don't have to be master shooter level ... just basic training with reasonable accuracy and know what to do when the sh** hits the fan.

And probably the best thing is to prevent guns getting into the hands of mentally unstable people as this shooter was (according to news reports he lost his job and was getting evicted - reading between the lines, he was probably losing it mentally). He may have gotten his guns a long time ago, legally. That's really a timebomb: a. mentally unstable guy and b. guns. And all this is totally legal, we're not talking about criminals. It's going to happen again, and again, and again, if the past is a prediction for the future. What can we do to stop this vicious circle?
No sale amigo. Lots of people, including those with firearms, have down times in their lives but don't start shooting people. And if the motives behind the perp's actions were mental and or emotional then IMO folks are focusing on the wrong end of the problem.
Rather than expending enormous amounts of money attempting to restrict and control firearms, something which has already proven to be ineffectual, wouldn't it all be better spent creating more and better mental health programs?
When I lived in the Netherlands they were experiencing a high number of suicides and over there, as I'm sure you're aware, the most common way to kill yourself is to hop in front of a train. Messy but quite effective.
The government considered putting up more barriers, fences, alarms, cameras, gates, etc., at all the possible points where people could access tracks but since trains and tracks are everywhere they decided it just wasn't feasible.
Instead they put the money into expanding the country's already fairly extensive mental health system and the suicide rate dropped.
Now "that" is common sense and money well spent. (y)
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No sale amigo. Lots of people, including those with firearms, have down times in their lives but don't start shooting people. And if the motives behind the perp's actions were mental and or emotional then IMO folks are focusing on the wrong end of the problem.
Rather than expending enormous amounts of money attempting to restrict and control firearms, something which has already proven to be ineffectual, wouldn't it all be better spent creating more and better mental health programs?
When I lived in the Netherlands they were experiencing a high number of suicides and over there, as I'm sure you're aware, the most common way to kill yourself is to hop in front of a train. Messy but quite effective.
The government considered putting up more barriers, fences, alarms, cameras, gates, etc., at all the possible points where people could access tracks but since trains and tracks are everywhere they decided it just wasn't feasible.
Instead they put the money into expanding the country's already fairly extensive mental health system and the suicide rate dropped.
Now "that" is common sense and money well spent. (y)
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..........
I totally agree.

Proper mental health care would take care of so many problems, including people going bat **** crazy and killing themselves or others.

Or keeping people off the streets.

But we don't want that, do we.

Because it would cost money, meaning raising taxes. Oh no, we don't want to pay taxes!

It's Socialist talk!
 

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There have been several studies done that show that an average US citizen actually spends more in out of pocket expenses for health care, education, etc., than an EU or Scandinavian citizen does in taxes but they get less in return in actual services and in the quality of those services.
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Mall shooting

New details have been revealed about the armed bystander who killed the shooter at an Indiana mall when the gunman opened fire on a food court Sunday evening, killing three people and wounding two others. Elisjsha Dicken, who was shopping with his girlfriend at the mall in Greenwood, Indiana, did not hesitate to use the Glock handgun he was legally carrying to "neutralize" the gunman within two minutes, police said. "Many more people would have died last night if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly within the first two minutes of the shooting," Greenwood Police Chief James Ison said on Monday. As far as investigators know, Dicken "has no police training and no military training," Ison said, adding he was able to fire at the shooter "from quite a distance" very proficiently. The distance of the shot was 40 yards !
 

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There have been several studies done that show that an average US citizen actually spends more in out of pocket expenses for health care, education, etc., than an EU or Scandinavian citizen does in taxes but they get less in return in actual services and in the quality of those services.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp...............
No way! Obama fixed the healthcare system!
 

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No way! Obama fixed the healthcare system!
LMAO! It's difficult to fix something that doesn't exist in the first place. The US, unlike much of the rest of the industrialized world, doesn't and never has had a real health care system.
What it has instead are a number of insurance company programs, including the ACA, Affordable Care Act (Obama Care) all created and managed/manipulated by insurance companies.
All Obama did was to put the insurance companies officially in charge.
Your tax dollars ineffectually at work, again. :rolleyes:
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There have been several studies done that show that an average US citizen actually spends more in out of pocket expenses for health care, education, etc., than an EU or Scandinavian citizen does in taxes but they get less in return in actual services and in the quality of those services.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp...............
True. There was a special on CNN by Dr Sanjay Gupta a few years ago where he explored in some detail what it costs when you get hospitalized ... everything is marked up excessively (eg a Band Aid priced for $25 or something like that).

Personal experience: Back in December and January I was in Munich for a special project (wonderful city btw). During the Christmas break I rented a car and drove to the Netherlands to visit friends and family whom I hadn't seen in many years. On the morning I was scheduled to drive back to Munich I went for a early morning trail run, and tripped and fell on my right arm. My brother took me to the ER and it turned out my right arm was broken in four different pieces, right below the shoulder. One week later I had another X ray taken in the ER in Munich, where the docs told me I had to have surgery as the broken pieces weren't setting right. As it turned out my US healthcare provided no coverage outside the US (double ouch) so I enquired with the local hospital what it would cost me to have shoulder surgery if I paid out of pocket. Here's the overview:

  • EUR 9,000 if you choose any available doctor. At the current exchange rate, that is $ 9,000.
  • EUR 19,000 if you get the chief doctor (like 'first class'). At the current exchange rate, that is $ 19,000.
That was a bit much to pay out of pocket so I flew back to the US for surgery. Here's what it cost in the US:
  • Estimate: $158,839
  • Actually billed: $132,190
Co-payments and deductibles for me: $5,000 plus another $1,000 for out of pocket expenses to the Dutch and German ERs (the Dutch were very generous, didn't ask for any upfront payments, got the invoice months later).

$9,000 / $19,000 versus $132,000 ... if somebody can explain that to me, please go ahead. And don't think that the German doctors are perhaps less qualified, the standard of care is outstanding, and they are very friendly and professional. My personal preference was actually to have surgery in Germany so I could stay there and finish the project, but that was straining my cash reserves.

And don't get me wrong, surgery here in CA went well, great doctor, great care, etc etc., and I am recovering well with lots of PT. But the difference in cost ... really?
 
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