self defense ammo?
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There are a couple of threads on this already. Take a look around!
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If I'm not mistaken, this is the ammo that pretty much disintegrates on impact or "explodes"? If so, don't buy it. Sure it looks awesome when you shoot a pineapple, but it would only penetrate a few inches on an actual human body and would just hurt really bad. You will have a really pissed off person if you shoot them with that. It does not transfer energy as well as other modern defensive rounds.
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I am informed that the current ballistics test requirements for defensive ammunition require that the bullet be fired at Sim Test, a gel-like substance supposedly better than ballistic gel (10% or 20%?), underneath four (yep, FOUR) layers of denim cloth.
In one citizen's test (from UTube), the .40S&W Extreme Hydrashok's cavity was filled with a cloth plug from the denim, and did not expand, instead acted as a full metal jacketted slug.
Ballistic gelatin has been criticized by many as not "truly representative" of human tissue, in that internal organs are more "stretchable" than bgel. I do not know if this is true or nor.
I am also told that because of this, government ballistics testing has moved towards using Sim Test and similiar materials, away from bgel. I have no documentation to support this assertion, but it makes sense.
In one citizen's test (from UTube), the .40S&W Extreme Hydrashok's cavity was filled with a cloth plug from the denim, and did not expand, instead acted as a full metal jacketted slug.
Ballistic gelatin has been criticized by many as not "truly representative" of human tissue, in that internal organs are more "stretchable" than bgel. I do not know if this is true or nor.
I am also told that because of this, government ballistics testing has moved towards using Sim Test and similiar materials, away from bgel. I have no documentation to support this assertion, but it makes sense.
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Gold dot is great as stated I have read depending on your barrel length 3inch(sub compact) should use 165 and others 180 grain that its better performing I do carry 180 in my 27 which is what it did not advise but I'm not too worried... I wish I could sight you the article! I will look tonight for it but it has all of the top brands and shows the test results ect and it is not one sided but many performed just as well as the next. Most mentioned here are always top performers
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http://www.extremeshockusa.com go there for pictures and more info as well as real customer testimonials.
The ExtremeShock Explosive Entry round is the world's first "smart" small arms munition. It fragments in logamarithmic proportion to the hardness of the target it strikes. It more than doubles the rate of energy transfer of a typical hollow point round! It more than quadruples the rate of energy transfer of conventional ball rounds. If it is striking something brittle, it's Nytrilium-Tungsten core will disintegrate very rapidly, reducing shoot-through and ricochet. When it hits softer organic targets, it fragments at a slower rate, with larger fragments dissipating into the target creating literally hundreds of wound channels. At left you can see the shock cavity a full seven inches in diameter!
A conventional round can penetrate most human torsos, dissipating a portion of the bullets energy into the target, and wasting the balance traveling into the area behind the target. The composite Explosive Defractor Core of the ExtremeShock Explosive Entry AFR Round acts as a perpendicular defractor plate that blows the fragments at virtual 90-degree angles to the wound channel! 100% percent of the energy is transferred into the surrounding tissue mass. This is the reason that the effective E-Shock wound channel is up to (depending on caliber) an astonishing 200 times the size of the entry wound!! Like a shaped charge that is used against tanks and armored targets, the NyTrilium fragments pick up the surrounding tissue mass and rams it forward, dramatically increasing the effective frontal area of the projectile.
Battle Proven, Dangerous Game Tested!
The E-Shocks pistol caliber rounds entire energy is transferred in the first 5-9 inches of entry, effectively logarithmically delivering the full energy at twice the rate of the best hollow points. Compare it to having a karate expert pushing you with both hands or give you a bone-shattering punch to the face. While both may exert the same amount of total energy measured in foot-pounds, the rapid transfer of the punch is far more devastating. Where a conventional round leaves a one-hole trauma cavity, The ExtremeShock Explosive Entry Round leaves a "shaped charge" trauma cavity with hundreds of individual wounds channels, causing Central Nervous System catastrophic overload. In video taped field tests with angry 300 lb Russian Boars, a single.380 round will incapacitate and kill in a matter of seconds! The 505 lb Boar in the picture was taken with a single 9mm round.
Cool was not the reason for the video it was to show the power of the round on a organic target since a real human being shot wouldn't make it on youtube lol. I was pointed to this ammo by a active duty police officer when I asked him about hornaday critical defense rounds. If its good enought for the 5.0 its good enough for me.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com go there for pictures and more info as well as real customer testimonials.
The ExtremeShock Explosive Entry round is the world's first "smart" small arms munition. It fragments in logamarithmic proportion to the hardness of the target it strikes. It more than doubles the rate of energy transfer of a typical hollow point round! It more than quadruples the rate of energy transfer of conventional ball rounds. If it is striking something brittle, it's Nytrilium-Tungsten core will disintegrate very rapidly, reducing shoot-through and ricochet. When it hits softer organic targets, it fragments at a slower rate, with larger fragments dissipating into the target creating literally hundreds of wound channels. At left you can see the shock cavity a full seven inches in diameter!
A conventional round can penetrate most human torsos, dissipating a portion of the bullets energy into the target, and wasting the balance traveling into the area behind the target. The composite Explosive Defractor Core of the ExtremeShock Explosive Entry AFR Round acts as a perpendicular defractor plate that blows the fragments at virtual 90-degree angles to the wound channel! 100% percent of the energy is transferred into the surrounding tissue mass. This is the reason that the effective E-Shock wound channel is up to (depending on caliber) an astonishing 200 times the size of the entry wound!! Like a shaped charge that is used against tanks and armored targets, the NyTrilium fragments pick up the surrounding tissue mass and rams it forward, dramatically increasing the effective frontal area of the projectile.
Battle Proven, Dangerous Game Tested!
The E-Shocks pistol caliber rounds entire energy is transferred in the first 5-9 inches of entry, effectively logarithmically delivering the full energy at twice the rate of the best hollow points. Compare it to having a karate expert pushing you with both hands or give you a bone-shattering punch to the face. While both may exert the same amount of total energy measured in foot-pounds, the rapid transfer of the punch is far more devastating. Where a conventional round leaves a one-hole trauma cavity, The ExtremeShock Explosive Entry Round leaves a "shaped charge" trauma cavity with hundreds of individual wounds channels, causing Central Nervous System catastrophic overload. In video taped field tests with angry 300 lb Russian Boars, a single.380 round will incapacitate and kill in a matter of seconds! The 505 lb Boar in the picture was taken with a single 9mm round.
Cool was not the reason for the video it was to show the power of the round on a organic target since a real human being shot wouldn't make it on youtube lol. I was pointed to this ammo by a active duty police officer when I asked him about hornaday critical defense rounds. If its good enought for the 5.0 its good enough for me.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs9.htm
I can not find the article about all of the differnt brands together. But here is the one specifically about the Gold Dots...
If anyone else looks at this what do you think about the 180 out of a 27 (the shorter barrel)? On the other site I spoke of supports the same info. I had decided not to worry about it but just wondered why performance is effected so much
I can not find the article about all of the differnt brands together. But here is the one specifically about the Gold Dots...
If anyone else looks at this what do you think about the 180 out of a 27 (the shorter barrel)? On the other site I spoke of supports the same info. I had decided not to worry about it but just wondered why performance is effected so much
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Winchester PDX-1 - BONDED IS BEST!
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What I carry in my glock 22 is the critical defence
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I call marketing BS and they should be sued for false advertising.Zetacobra said:
If the round does not over penetrate and stays within the body, then 100% of the force (or 'energy') was transferred.
It is physically impossible to add force to an object in motion without the aid of another force pushing (or pulling) it in the same direction, such as an actual explosion.
This 2x and 4x huff is nonsense!
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