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What's you guys' opinion about these?
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If you need a safety you own the wrong gun. Glocks are for people that dont go around touching the trigger and playing games. We need it to kill when we need it to kill.
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Yeah I agree. I was thinking about getting one just in case my son grabbed it but I guess it would only take him a min to figure out how to get it off
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Why would your son ever be afforded the ability or opportunity to get near your gun, let alone get a hold of your gun, and loaded at that?
A safety is not safety, that comes only in practice and discipline.
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Becuz he's curious. He sees me and his uncle shoot and he wants to but we tell him no all the time
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I don't know about this but I like the siderlock idea....it still keeps the gun a fast draw...and if you don't like it you simply leave it off.the fact of the matter is you can be as safe as you can be but **** still happens... What if the trigger snags on anything while reholstering?clothes anything??i saw a story about a guy who had a AD because his holster was messed up and snagged the trigger. Shot himself in the leg and blew a hole in his car Seat and floor..granted he should have replaced his holster.but what if it caught on your jacket drawstring or something.you never know.i feel like siderlock would help with this type of issue.but I like glocks because of the history of reliability how they shoot and a lot of other reasons.i just get sketched about carrying one in the pipe without something like a siderlock.and the problem is why bother carrying if your not going to chamber a round? Because if you need to defend yourself chances are you won't have time to rack the slide.i practice saftey like a maniac! My dad drilled it into my head all these years since I was a young kid.but I still like the siderlock for a little added piece of mind due to the reasons I stated above
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Curiosity is nothing without opportunity. Teaching it is ok to have opportunity and exercise curiosity is dangerous, because someone else (like a friends parent) may not have a safety.
Education and prevention over mechanical dependence.
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I agree with you on that my gun is either on my hip in a iwb holster where I would feel it if someone grabbed it.or locked in my keypad safe with a combination trigger lock on it.my kids can't get ahold of my firearms if they wanted to.you gotta lock them up good! Every time you hear a story that a gun fell into the wrong hands and someone gets killed the anti-gun media has a field day with it! Saftey is every bodies responsibility.if we wasn't to preserve our sport we must make an example so the anti-gun idiots can't argue their case against us.nukinfuts29 said:
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Hey oakdale, why dont you teach your son about guns instead of telling him no. I've worn a handgun since before my son was botn. Started him shooting with a G19 when he was four. He just turned 18 and he's a good shot and he knows and respects weapons. The more you keep him from them the more curious he'll become. Just saying
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^^^^^^^^ +1
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I agree too! +2
They need to be taught not kept away from, the more he is taught and learns about them the better he will be and safer. But you still need to keep it up and locked.
They need to be taught not kept away from, the more he is taught and learns about them the better he will be and safer. But you still need to keep it up and locked.
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As far as the Saf-T-Blok its pretty good for if you keep one in the pipe ready to go and in a holster, belly band, concealed shirt or just tucked in like IWB ( I think its also called carrying Mexican style). It flicks right out on the draw incase you need to use the gun, in a mila second. I love it.
But now i use a Clipdraw with a Mic holster IWB.
But now i use a Clipdraw with a Mic holster IWB.
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My daughter could teach you how to field strip and clean a Glock pistol before she was in kindergarten. My teaching philosophy with kids and firearms is anytime they are curious about a gun, they get to handle that gun and listen to a constant stream of safety and use instruction until they get bored and want to leave. Then I test them a couple times before letting them go play.
The idea is to not just satisfy their curiosity, but to kill it dead by force feeding them as much information as they can take. Saying "No" doesn't do this; patiently engaging their every request, answering every question, teaching them the same stuff over and over until they are bored with it is how you quench that curiosity. If they've got the attention span to focus on guns all weekend long, well, I got to play with my kids and my guns all weekend long. I can think of worse ways to spend a weekend
In my experience, however, kids grow weary of cleaning guns and being lectured on safety pretty quickly. For those who haven't seen it, this is a Siderlock trigger:
The Glock trigger safety is replaced with one where a cross-bolt can manually engage the safety, preventing trigger function.
To my way of thinking, this particular style of safety is more dangerous than the Glock trigger safety. The Glock safety is ready for use the moment the weapon is free from its holster without any further manipulation. To disengage the Siderlock, you have to stick your trigger finger inside the trigger guard and actually manipulate the trigger - or a component of the trigger - just to ready the firearm for use. From a safe handling perspective, that's a huge NO-NO. Your finger should NEVER be inside the trigger guard until you are aiming and ready to fire.
To see why this is a bad idea, talk to people who have been under attack, people who have experienced breakins, people who have been in combat... Even some people trying to bag that first buck of their hunting career! Under that sort of stress, your fine motor skills are severely decreased, the sensation in your extremities is decreased, you're fumbling and shaking as your body engages fight-or-flight responses utilizing your gross motor skills. You can't simulate the full experience in a controlled environment, but you can simulate the physical sensation pretty effectively: stick your hands in a bucket of ice water for a few minutes until they are good and blue and numb, then try to run your gun. Go ahead, stick your "dead" finger in the trigger guard, push on that trigger, and tell me whether the safety is on or off.
The Saf-T-Blok has the same problem - you have to put your dead stick of a finger inside the trigger guard to manipulate the safety just to prepare the weapon for use.
The risk of AD when reholstering does not, in my opinion, justify the danger of sticking your finger in the trigger guard at any point other than when preparing to actually fire. Training that action into muscle memory is an incredibly bad idea.
If you want some sort of additional protection specifically for the trigger, buy or make a trigger guard holster like the MIC or Razor's Edge,
With these, the string is attached to whatever your gun is in or on, and the "holster" falls off as soon as you draw. As soon as the gun is in your hand, it is ready for use. There's no small buttons to push, no small devices to manipulate while stressed (or with your arm numb because you were sleeping on it...) just engage your gross motor skills and ingrained "finger indexed on side of gun" muscle memory and bring your weapon to bear. You don't need feeling in your hands to safely disengage that "safety".
The 1911 has a safety because it was designed to be used by men on horseback, and they were trained to thumb that safety "on" the moment the horse even thought about acting up. In my opinion, the only place for a manual safety is on a firearm that you will have loaded and will carrying in your hands for reasons that don't involve immediate preparation for firing. Such as walking around in the woods with a long-gun, or while being thrown off a horse.
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Its like anything in this world, guns and other things included, if you say No they stay curious. If you don't Teach then they will Imagine. Educate and remove the mystery; remove the "coolness" factor. Make it a plain bare fact of life like anything else then they won't fawn after the mystery when the knowledge is second nature.
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Glock dude, Just got my first gun (G19) and was looking at the MIC for CC. Do you like it? Do you recommend the clip draw with it/is it necessary?
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