P320 Doing P320 Things
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Got this from Gunsite this morning....
@Southlake , I created this as more of a safety notice but it's gone on awhile. Maybe the point has been made; close it if you think it appropriate.
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@Southlake , I created this as more of a safety notice but it's gone on awhile. Maybe the point has been made; close it if you think it appropriate.
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Can Sig Sauer stop the bleeding at this point?
Let go of the anchor... they don't float.
Who knows, they may be so deep in govt contracts, this may be a life or death fight for them.
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They could have prevented the ship going off the rails years and years ago, and yet instead of fixing what was wrong and recalling the gun, they took the lawyer and arrogant route.
Remember there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake from sales of M18s to the military, as well as a billion dollar contract with the Army for the XM7 which the Army does not need by the way.
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Not to mention sales to the civilian market.
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Montville officer’s weapon discharges during arrest
The city of Montville’s police chief is taking quick action to keep the community and his officers safe after a duty weapon spontaneously discharged Monday.
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That ought to make friends and influence people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just not the way they expect.
All the stories I told about dealing whit Sig in a former life have met some discern, to being called a liar. Recon what all those think about now about how the company does things.
Probably hasn't changed a thing in the minds of the loyalists, but that is their fault, especially at this point.
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Soooo....I shouldn't start a bunch of Beretta threads?....lol!
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Well its obvious that Sig Sauer is going to die on that hill. Too much at stake at this point.
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Well, probably not the best idea.
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Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons:
And another video that goes more into the technical details. This guy is good at explaining exactly what (probably) went wrong with the unintentional discharges, and the various design flaws, and how it's different from Glocks and other SIGs.
I'm still kind of baffled as to why the Army picked the P320 of all available choices. The Army would be well advised to take a very hard look at its procurement policies and what happened here. This stinks up to high heaven. And maybe take a good hard look at whether they really need the XM7.
And another video that goes more into the technical details. This guy is good at explaining exactly what (probably) went wrong with the unintentional discharges, and the various design flaws, and how it's different from Glocks and other SIGs.
I'm still kind of baffled as to why the Army picked the P320 of all available choices. The Army would be well advised to take a very hard look at its procurement policies and what happened here. This stinks up to high heaven. And maybe take a good hard look at whether they really need the XM7.
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The US Military and Law Enforcement is going to have to come to the realization that this Sig platform is a dog with lots of fleas and its going to cost them dearly to fix it which means going back to the drawing board or going with Plan B (Glock). They thought they got a great cut rate deal with Sig Sauer. In the end you pay for what you get. It also proves that MILSPEC does not necessarily translate to quality. It means the Military chose what was most economically cost effective.
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IIRC, and remeber the core of the mess. The Army wrote specs for a modular 9MM. The 9MM was a given, but the modular specs were for ONE pistol on the planet, the Sig. I never understood that either, sig was granted the contract before any testing or bids, it seemed.
Much the same with the M7 train wreck. They were hell bent on a caseless round. That seems to have fallen away, to the experimental 6.8X51. The round has an insane chamber pressure, with a noticeable weight increase and capacity. They also cut 4 inches off the test barrel for the battle rifle, so what ever the published ballistics are, they aren't carried over. 140 round battle load vs 210, with an untested sighting system, at the cost of 4 pounds (likely optimistic) rifle and ammo, that is significant.
The 6.8 may be OK, but will really shorten the life of the rifle and recoil is significantly increased as well. There are several rounds they could have gone with that are road tested, don't destroy equipment or weigh significant amounts more, while keeping the tried and true platform of the M16, and keeping the ballistics of the 308.
Sig is in someone's pocket it seems.
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