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Yep you read that right!!! We have done away with paypal… Unbeknownst to us at the time we joined Paypal, Paypal is extremely Anti Gun…

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

1. violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.

2. relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition.

For example, using PayPal, you can’t buy or sell:

Any firearm, including rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they’re for sport and recreation, collectibles, or curio or relic firearms.
Firearm parts, including but not limited to receivers and frames, silencers, and kits designed to modify guns so that they fire automatically. High capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers are other items in this category.
Ammunition, including propellants like gunpowder or blank ammunition; ammunition or cartridge cases; and primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.

Stun gun sales are allowed for U.S. residents, but only if the transaction is permitted by law in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdictions. (PayPal account holders outside the U.S. can’t buy or sell stun guns.) Before they complete a sale, U.S. sellers must make sure that the transaction is legal in both locations.

Related items that you can buy and sell using PayPal include paintball guns, blank guns, and air-soft guns, as long as such transactions are legal in the applicable jurisdiction. All of these items must display the markings required by law, must not be convertible to shoot a lethal projectile, and can’t include blank ammunition.
We first joined Paypal because they were simple, convenient, and the preferred method of online payment processing.

Many companies out there, in the banking industry are anti-gun. Take our former bank, Bank of America for instance…

We have looked for several months into the best option for us to dump Paypal. We have settled in a Bank and Credit Card Processing Company that are both 2nd amendment friendly, secure, and safe!!!

We moved banks, along with McMillian, from Bank of America to National Bank of Arizona. (see reference story HERE)
We are also using VeraCharge as our chosen processor. After long discussions with the owner of VeraCharge, we are satisfied with them and they are 100% in support of our second amendment rights!
We also use Authorize.net as the "payment gateway". They securely relay your Credit Card info to the bank and processor. This way, we don't store your Credit Card info and it remains secure.

To our Previous Customers:
We apologize for putting you in a potentially harmful situation, we do not believe that Paypal will pursue anyone in this matter, though they have been known to close business accounts. If you use Paypal, which we ask you close your account with, please do not use them to buy any other restricted products.
We want you to know that we are not only committed to customer service, but your security, safety, and rights! As a NRA Business Alliance Member, we support the 2nd Amendment through and through!!!



Notice to Future Customers:
Because we are not using a Paypal, and Processing is not instantaneous, we have a 48-72 hour processing time before products will ship. That said, its the price of doing things right, and supporting the second amendment.
 

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PayPal made a statement many years ago expressing their antigun views. I've never used them for that reason.
 

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Not going public with to many details but we almost got fined $2500 per violation on something a while back. According to them we had over 20 violations. We got out of it.

That is all.

Makes you wonder how places like Botach that use paypal get away with it.
 

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Not going public with to many details but we almost got fined $2500 per violation on something a while back. According to them we had over 20 violations. We got out of it.

That is all.

Makes you wonder how places like Botach that use paypal get away with it.
make enough money for them in fees, and they'll look the other way.

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Just be careful what you use for descriptions. Instead use an invoice # or a generic term... But we never say firearms parts. Unless Pay Pal is going to sit at your mail box or driveway and try to intercept your package from UPS or USPS, how would they ever know for sure? And I'm sure Pay Pal doesn't have authority to open your packages, much less intercept them.
 

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TexasSheepdawg said:
Just be careful what you use for descriptions. Instead use an invoice # or a generic term... But we never say firearms parts. Unless Pay Pal is going to sit at your mail box or driveway and try to intercept your package from UPS or USPS, how would they ever know for sure? And I'm sure Pay Pal doesn't have authority to open your packages, much less intercept them.
Not that simple... That would require me to not name the items in my store, cause that's the name that goes on the bill.

Either way, we replaced them.
 

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Yeah, I guess vendors would have issues... Sorry to hear your problems. Do you know of an alternative?
 

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Reason I'm asking is I am about to have to use Pay Pal again and would definitely be open to alternatives.
 

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TexasSheepdawg said:
Yeah, I guess vendors would have issues... Sorry to hear your problems. Do you know of an alternative?
Did you read my first post? I have already switched to a different payment processing company.
 

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TexasSheepdawg said:
Reason I'm asking is I am about to have to use Pay Pal again and would definitely be open to alternatives.
Check, money order, direct wire transfer, cash...
 

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They've been antigun for years, and have forbid their service being used for firearms for years. As much as I hate them, they are just too damn convenient and too widely accepted for me to stop using them for fleabay.

On a side note, if we refused to use every product and service, and refused to give our money to every person that was anti gun; than we'd be buying damn near nothing, listening to very little music, watching very few movies or TV shows, and enjoying life alot less........food for thought.
 

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bhale187 said:
They've been antigun for years, and have forbid their service being used for firearms for years. As much as I hate them, they are just too damn convenient and too widely accepted for me to stop using them for fleabay.

On a side note, if we refused to use every product and service, and refused to give our money to every person that was anti gun; than we'd be buying damn near nothing, listening to very little music, watching very few movies or TV shows, and enjoying life alot less........food for thought.
Agreed, but when possible I will opt for the gun friendly company/business.
 

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Not going public with to many details but we almost got fined $2500 per violation on something a while back. According to them we had over 20 violations. We got out of it.

That is all.

Makes you wonder how places like Botach that use paypal get away with it.
I've often wondered that myself, same with Optics planet
 

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Agreed, but when possible I will opt for the gun friendly company/business.
I'm with you, and I hope that some company will be able to rival paypal some day, but I don't see it happening; several have tried, and none have succeded yet.
 

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bhale187 said:
I'm with you, and I hope that some company will be able to rival paypal some day, but I don't see it happening; several have tried, and none have succeded yet.
And PayPal is not very secure either... Once they take the funds out of their account, there is nothing PayPal can do. Versus if you use you credit card and it is processed by the merchant, you are protected by your bank and visa/MasterCard/discover/Amex...

It's a lot safer... Too many scams involve PayPal, it's too easy to scam on PayPal... (Reference nuk here)
 

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shucknshoot said:
What about Ebay? They sell a boat load of gun parts & accessories and use paypal for payment.
Can't speak for them, both are owned by the same company (eBay), but they have different rules then PayPal. Technically if you "Pay with PayPal" you still must follow PayPal rules.

Keep in mind that the items listed in eBay also take, checks, money orders or cash...
 

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blackwolffcf said:
Can't speak for them, both are owned by the same company (eBay), but they have different rules then PayPal. Technically if you "Pay with PayPal" you still must follow PayPal rules.

Keep in mind that the items listed in eBay also take, checks, money orders or cash...
eBay is anti gun too.
 
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