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Discussion in 'What Glock Should I Get' started by Travis, Dec 14, 2011.
What is better glock 19 or glock 23?
Glock 23, shoots great easy to carry, all round good.
I like both. Frame wise, they are both compact. Just depends on your preference of caliber- G23 .40, G19 9mm.
My G19 is ported, which I like for competition due to to lower recoil.
Can't go wrong either way! Both great firearms!
Depends on what ammo you prefer. Being a lefty, I prefer the G19 (gen 4) because it's mag release is switchable to the left or right side of grip. It also has the accuracy of the G17 with a slightly smaller frame.
It's all in what you are looking for Travis. They are an identical frame size. so do you prefer 9mm or 40 S&W? I personally prefer the 40 so I bout the G23. It's all about what you want and are most comfortable shooting. Both are tremendous firearms.
I would go 9 IF it's your only handgun,
Like I tell everybody; If things get "rough" you will be able to find NATO rounds versus these "specialty" rounds that were made to cater to certain markets.
Well I carry a p95 now. I shot a glock 19 last week and I liked it. My uncle is a jailer and fa instructor and he has been tring to get me to buy a 23. I like the feel of both. I just donno if I wanna go to a bigger cal.
40 is not really much bigger than a 9mm, but it is a high pressure round creating higher recoil but not much higher stopping power. Shot placement is the most important thing no matter what you are shooting, so having the few extra rounds could help if it is ever needed.
I would say your uncle is issued a 40 and the department was convinced it is better, but look at ballistics, same type but different calibers and compare yourself. Also, remember that a 9mm is .380" and a 40 is .400", so it is only .020" larger, not enough to count
Get the 23 then you can also shoot 9mm and .357 SIG by changing out barrels and picking up some 9mm mags. If you get the 19 you can't shoot the other calibers out of it.
This is a question which can not be answered definitively. If you are a fan of the 9mm cartridge then the 19 is the way to go. If you prefer the .40sw then you buy the 23.
I personally have a G27 in .40sw because it is easier for me to conceal here in south Georgia where you need a jacket only about 3 months a year. My decision to buy a .40sw over the 9mm was based purely on personal preference. I bought it in the days before "modern" ammo when the 9mm certainly did not have the lethal punch that it does today. I probably would have bought the .45acp equivalent except for the fact that because of my physical condition I foresee myself having to shoot one-handed in most self-defense situations and the .40sw is much easier to handle and fire follow up shots with one hand for me than the .45acp is. Again it comes down to personal preference.
Also, if you already have handguns you may want to purchase the Glock model that shoots the same caliber so that you only have to purchase one size ammo. Either way with the Glock you're getting a great tool for the job it was designed to do.
SAAMI 9x19mm and 40S&W have the same maximum standard pressure at 35,000. 9x19m +P can be loaded upto 38,500 psi.
If you shoot any CIP spec ammo they do not have separate +P standards and 9x19mm can be loaded upto 39,200 psi with to +'s or P's anywhere on the box.
Take a look at the 9x19mm page in my CIP loading manual. Alot of the CIP starting loads are higher than SAAMI max loads.
With all due respect you have your facts wrong. For starters the 9mm and the .380 are actually .355 or so in diameter not .38 so the .40 is around .05 larger not the .02 you espouse. Secondly I believe there have been ample tests showing the greater force displaced onto a target by the .40 versus the 9mm. I will agree with you though that shot placement is the most vital factor. That's why I always tell people to carry the largest caliber they can comfortably carry and shoot well. You can't miss fast enough or with a big enough gun to do any good.
Good comments overall here. Let me try to add one more.
The only real important statistic is the one that you create when you shoot the two guns side-by-side. The gun you are most comfortable with with the largest round is the one that you need to carry. IF you are not comfortable shooting the G23 then it will sit in your safe. To some, the 40 is a bit too snappy for them. The only way to know is to shoot the gun.
I shot both the 22 and the 23 (200 rounds each, side-by-side) before I chose the 22. Since they are both 40 the question is why? So that I knew the gun that I would be most comfortable shooting.
You need to be sure about your choice.
At 61, with a tad of arthritis creeping in, I switched to a 19C and love it. I carried a Berretta 96D off-duty for over 18 years. Shot tight groups, but in the end, it just got too big, too heavy and too much recoil. The 19c, right out of the box, out shot the Beretta, the addition of an extended slide release made it a perfect on the range and, for me, the addition of nite-sites made it... "Glock Perfection".
I would recommend to go for the Glock 19 just because the ammo is cheaper. That is just my opinion.
You quoted the bullet, I mistakenly quoted the neck size, my mistake. 0.05" is still not very much.
I carry Corbon Powerball in all of my Glocks, and I have 9 and 40.
Here is straight from the Corbon site. 43 ftlbs. is not very much when comparing similar loads.
• Caliber: 9mm Luger + P.
• Bullet Wt.: 100gr Pow'RBall.
• Velocity: 1475fps.
• Energy: 483ftlbs.
• Test Barrel Length: 4.0 Inches.
• Caliber: 40 S&W.
• Bullet Wt.: 135gr Pow'RBall.
• Velocity: 1325fps.
• Energy: 526ftlbs.
• Test Barrel Length: 4.0 Inches.
The point of the subject is placement. A guy in my area killed an officer with one shot of a 9mm, and he lived through 7 hits of a 45 ACP. There is no true stopping or knockdown round from a pistol every time, practice and proper shot placement is what counts.
Shot placement certainly is the key. Honestly though I have to say I don't know of anyone else that shoots a 135 gr bullet in their .40. If you're going to shoot such a light weight bullet there certainly is no reason to not go with the 9mm. I prefer my bullets to be a little heavier.
It is 135 gr bullet only because it is solid copper, it has the same size as a much heavier lead bullet but much better expansion due to the copper being malleable. Hornady 180 gr hp only produces 361 ftlbs, 165 ftlbs less than what I carry
In was wondering if the G25 or G 28 will ever be sold in the US. Or is legal for a Leo to buy one and sale it to me?
G23 IMO by nature of it's caliber - .40 S&W - minimum for me for a carry gun. I've owned several 9mm's - traded my last one - because IMO 9mm is not an adequate consistent man-stopper.