Hmmm, must be an Ohio thing, the opinion! I hail originally from Reynoldsburg and have family in SE Ohio, Caldwell, and still a bunch in Central , Columbus and surrounds. Livin in Florida siuits me now though! How bout some pics when you can, we love to see the Glocks in Live mode. Again Welcome, Oh yea, just go to where it says my account go to the Control panel and click EDIT AVATAR and you can insert your tasteful picture of your choice.Just joined the forum today. I'm an older fellow, have been in the military and law enforcement. Today I stay home and take care of the house--wife is still a couple years short of retirement.
I'm into military history and have collected military surplus firearms for a few decades, but am mostly interested in self-defense. I am comfortable with all handguns and have owned all types. I love the 1911 but carry the Glock for self-defense. I shot Glocks early on but came to them late, about 2003. I had eight Glocks but now own seven, and these really fulfill my needs. I could maje use of a G34 or even a G17, but I don't need one. Most of my Glocks are .40S&Ws and that's what I mostly carry. I do have one .45ACP I also carry and a 9mm I use for practice a lot.
I have been trained by a Glock armorer and have read all I could find on Glock internals, studied the Ptooma book intensely, and am comfortable detail stripping the Glock down to the bare frame and slide. I've done modifications on my pistols but believe that a mainly stock gun makes sense for carry, and the trigger mods I've made use Glock factory parts and factory service-level trigger pull weights. I've made changes only where I believe Glock has erred, and that isn't many places. My guns, all Gen 3 or Gen 2, wear stainless steel ISMI guide rods and ISMI or Wolf springs, except my G19, which still uses a Glock recoil spring. Glock .40S&Ws used 17lb or 18lb recoil springs, depending on model, borrowed from the 9mms, and this was too light, so I upped this by a couple pounds.
I've got the Glocks I want so I haven't been interested in the Gen 4s, but now that Glock has got the 9mms figured out, I think they are okay. Still, if I were asked my opinion, I'd suggest that if the Gen 4 with the smaller of the two grip attachments, which mimics the Gen 3 frame, fits, that the individual buy the Gen 3 while they are still made. They have thicker frames in the dust cover area and I believe will be more long-lived. The dual-recoil spring assembly is fine but it's a complicated answer to a simple question--how do we make our recoil spring assemblies longer-lived? And a problem only existed for agencies comprised of shooters--which means special ops for the most part, because most cop shops today don't have the budget to put enough rounds downrange in practice to cause problems. And private citizens simply won't have issues because most of us don't shoot enough.
So Glock went into overkill mode and hogged out the frame, added a dual recoil spring assembly that costs 2-3 times as much to replace as the original assembly, and made the Gen 4 pistols different enough from previous generations that the famous Glock interchangability was nearly lost. And while they gave their .40s enough spring weight, they gave their 9mms too much, and only now have fixed that problem.
Enough ranting,Gen 4 Glocks are fine, and if you find the standard Gen 4 bare frame or XL insert makes the fit especially perfect, these are the ones to buy. I can't think of an advantage that warrants trading in one's large collection of older models, but it's everyone's call. I do wish the new mag release was retrofitable!
That's me, folks, way opinionated, but I'll never shove it down your throat.
Mark in southwest Ohio
Firearmforum.com (where I've been the manager for twelve years)
New SW Ohio member
Just joined the forum today. I'm an older fellow, have been in the military and law enforcement. Today I stay home and take care of the house--wife is still a couple years short of retirement.
I'm into military history and have collected military surplus firearms for a few decades, but am mostly interested in self-defense. I am comfortable with all handguns and have owned all types. I love the 1911 but carry the Glock for self-defense. I shot Glocks early on but came to them late, about 2003. I had eight Glocks but now own seven, and these really fulfill my needs. I could maje use of a G34 or even a G17, but I don't need one. Most of my Glocks are .40S&Ws and that's what I mostly carry. I do have one .45ACP I also carry and a 9mm I use for practice a lot.
I have been trained by a Glock armorer and have read all I could find on Glock internals, studied the Ptooma book intensely, and am comfortable detail stripping the Glock down to the bare frame and slide. I've done modifications on my pistols but believe that a mainly stock gun makes sense for carry, and the trigger mods I've made use Glock factory parts and factory service-level trigger pull weights. I've made changes only where I believe Glock has erred, and that isn't many places. My guns, all Gen 3 or Gen 2, wear stainless steel ISMI guide rods and ISMI or Wolf springs, except my G19, which still uses a Glock recoil spring. Glock .40S&Ws used 17lb or 18lb recoil springs, depending on model, borrowed from the 9mms, and this was too light, so I upped this by a couple pounds.
I've got the Glocks I want so I haven't been interested in the Gen 4s, but now that Glock has got the 9mms figured out, I think they are okay. Still, if I were asked my opinion, I'd suggest that if the Gen 4 with the smaller of the two grip attachments, which mimics the Gen 3 frame, fits, that the individual buy the Gen 3 while they are still made. They have thicker frames in the dust cover area and I believe will be more long-lived. The dual-recoil spring assembly is fine but it's a complicated answer to a simple question--how do we make our recoil spring assemblies longer-lived? And a problem only existed for agencies comprised of shooters--which means special ops for the most part, because most cop shops today don't have the budget to put enough rounds downrange in practice to cause problems. And private citizens simply won't have issues because most of us don't shoot enough.
So Glock went into overkill mode and hogged out the frame, added a dual recoil spring assembly that costs 2-3 times as much to replace as the original assembly, and made the Gen 4 pistols different enough from previous generations that the famous Glock interchangability was nearly lost. And while they gave their .40s enough spring weight, they gave their 9mms too much, and only now have fixed that problem.
Enough ranting, Gen 4 Glocks are fine, and if you find the standard Gen 4 bare frame or XL insert makes the fit especially perfect, these are the ones to buy. I can't think of an advantage that warrants trading in one's large collection of older models, but it's everyone's call. I do wish the new mag release was retrofitable!
That's me, folks, way opinionated, but I'll never shove it down your throat.
Mark in southwest Ohio
Firearmforum.com (where I've been the manager for twelve years)
I'm into military history and have collected military surplus firearms for a few decades, but am mostly interested in self-defense. I am comfortable with all handguns and have owned all types. I love the 1911 but carry the Glock for self-defense. I shot Glocks early on but came to them late, about 2003. I had eight Glocks but now own seven, and these really fulfill my needs. I could maje use of a G34 or even a G17, but I don't need one. Most of my Glocks are .40S&Ws and that's what I mostly carry. I do have one .45ACP I also carry and a 9mm I use for practice a lot.
I have been trained by a Glock armorer and have read all I could find on Glock internals, studied the Ptooma book intensely, and am comfortable detail stripping the Glock down to the bare frame and slide. I've done modifications on my pistols but believe that a mainly stock gun makes sense for carry, and the trigger mods I've made use Glock factory parts and factory service-level trigger pull weights. I've made changes only where I believe Glock has erred, and that isn't many places. My guns, all Gen 3 or Gen 2, wear stainless steel ISMI guide rods and ISMI or Wolf springs, except my G19, which still uses a Glock recoil spring. Glock .40S&Ws used 17lb or 18lb recoil springs, depending on model, borrowed from the 9mms, and this was too light, so I upped this by a couple pounds.
I've got the Glocks I want so I haven't been interested in the Gen 4s, but now that Glock has got the 9mms figured out, I think they are okay. Still, if I were asked my opinion, I'd suggest that if the Gen 4 with the smaller of the two grip attachments, which mimics the Gen 3 frame, fits, that the individual buy the Gen 3 while they are still made. They have thicker frames in the dust cover area and I believe will be more long-lived. The dual-recoil spring assembly is fine but it's a complicated answer to a simple question--how do we make our recoil spring assemblies longer-lived? And a problem only existed for agencies comprised of shooters--which means special ops for the most part, because most cop shops today don't have the budget to put enough rounds downrange in practice to cause problems. And private citizens simply won't have issues because most of us don't shoot enough.
So Glock went into overkill mode and hogged out the frame, added a dual recoil spring assembly that costs 2-3 times as much to replace as the original assembly, and made the Gen 4 pistols different enough from previous generations that the famous Glock interchangability was nearly lost. And while they gave their .40s enough spring weight, they gave their 9mms too much, and only now have fixed that problem.
Enough ranting,
Gen 4 Glocks are fine, and if you find the standard Gen 4 bare frame or XL insert makes the fit especially perfect, these are the ones to buy. I can't think of an advantage that warrants trading in one's large collection of older models, but it's everyone's call. I do wish the new mag release was retrofitable! That's me, folks, way opinionated, but I'll never shove it down your throat.
Mark in southwest Ohio
Firearmforum.com (where I've been the manager for twelve years)
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