[Dr.Tramp]

We, the "People" are our real problems. We can blame other things like the media, politicians, gods, race, etc., etc., but ultimately it boils down to how "We" react and what "We" do about the problems that affect our lives.
It's become painfully obvious that "We" cannot rely on those of either party who swore oaths to "Support and defend the Constitution of the United States" to live up to these oaths.
Fortunately "We" have within the US constitution and the Amendments to it all the legal Rights, authorities, and tools to do this.
Now though "We" must confront and assume the burden of the most difficult part. "We", as citizens of the Republic and as a society, must relearn what these Rights, authorities, and tools are and how to use them before our understanding and ability to do so disappears entirely.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp...............

 

[pr5992]

If you get a CCW permit where you can and cannot carry.
How to fortify your home and plan if there’s a break in.

Thanks!

The CCW permit thing is interesting. The course was advertised as a course to get a CCW, but the laws in California are such that it is very difficult to get a CCW permit and I most likely don't qualify. You have to have "good cause", which is a pretty strict test. But now that the Supreme Court has declared a similar statute in New York unconstitutional, it's a bit of a grey area ...

But regardless, it's $180 for an all day course including several hours on the range, so that's a pretty good deal. Even if I don't get the CCW it'll be fun and a good learning experience.

 

[Danzig]

Thanks!

The CCW permit thing is interesting. The course was advertised as a course to get a CCW, but the laws in California are such that it is very difficult to get a CCW permit and I most likely don't qualify. You have to have "good cause", which is a pretty strict test. But now that the Supreme Court has declared a similar statute in New York unconstitutional, it's a bit of a grey area ...

But regardless, it's $180 for an all day course including several hours on the range, so that's a pretty good deal. Even if I don't get the CCW it'll be fun and a good learning experience.

It’s good to get training from different instructors and different facets of firearms. Even the most knowledgeable practitioners can pick up something new and advantageous.

 

[Greywood]

If you have legal questions find a pro 2A lawyer and talk to him.
Laws change and people interpret them differently and instructors are not lawyers! I've arrested more than 1 who said ...but my instructors said....well your instructor was wrong!

And as Danzig said. Find other instructors and take their courses.

You're already on the right path with your willingness to learn. Listen,take notes,ask questions and relax. On the range don't worry about speed. Focus on form and grip, sight picture, and overall technique. Then put it all together so it's all 1 smooth action. Speed will come with time.
Slow is fast and fast is slow.

 

[Danzig]

 

[SixG17s]

Thanks!

The CCW permit thing is interesting. The course was advertised as a course to get a CCW, but the laws in California are such that it is very difficult to get a CCW permit and I most likely don't qualify. You have to have "good cause", which is a pretty strict test. But now that the Supreme Court has declared a similar statute in New York unconstitutional, it's a bit of a grey area ...

But regardless, it's $180 for an all day course including several hours on the range, so that's a pretty good deal. Even if I don't get the CCW it'll be fun and a good learning experience.

Depends on the county you live in. Some agencies contract out training, some do not. Check with the issue agency first. Still best for speed and accuracy is competition. Contact your nearest USPSA/IDPA club and see if any of the Grand Masters/Masters hold classes, most do. Fundamentals first: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. Then transitions and movement.

 

[pr5992]

If you have legal questions find a pro 2A lawyer and talk to him.
Laws change and people interpret them differently and instructors are not lawyers! I've arrested more than 1 who said ...but my instructors said....well your instructor was wrong!

And as Danzig said. Find other instructors and take their courses.

You're already on the right path with your willingness to learn. Listen,take notes,ask questions and relax. On the range don't worry about speed. Focus on form and grip, sight picture, and overall technique. Then put it all together so it's all 1 smooth action. Speed will come with time.
Slow is fast and fast is slow.

Yeah, I was thinking about talking to a lawyer. I joined USCCA over the weekend (after watching youtube videos on legal force which made me more nervous the more I watched, lol). There's one guy right here in Oakland listed on their website who seems like a pretty solid defense attorney. If I ever do get myself in a live shooting situation which I dearly hope will never happen, a local lawyer will be more useful than the best defense attorney in NYC.

I also thought reaching out to the Oakland police department and get their opinion. There was an incident a few months ago where some crazy guy with a screwdriver managed to get inside one of the apartments in our building in the middle of the day. OPD came out with at least a half dozen squad cars, and it took several hours to defuse the situation. Afterwards the building managers had a couple of OPD officers over to go over the building and offer safety tips. Maybe I should go back to them and see if they have any specific guidance on lethal force. It's also good in terms of building relationship with the OPD, there is a lot of 'defend the police!" sentiment in the Bay Area (until they get that uninvited visitor at 3 am of course, then the cops can't get to their homes fast enough). Never hurts imo to show your cops that you do appreciate their service to the community, right?

 

[RIP]

Defend the police, maybe that’s what they meant. The difference a vowel makes.

 

[Dr.Tramp]

Here's something I borrowed from a Libertarian website that seems applicable to the discussion.

"Dear Government.
After nearly 40 years of a “War On Drugs” you can’t keep drugs of the streets,
you can’t keep drugs out of schools, you can’t even keep drugs out of Federal prisons.
Yet, you want me to disarm myself and trust that YOU can keep guns from criminals?"

Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp............

 

[pr5992]

Hey everyone:

Does anybody here carry a body cam? Anything you can recommend? This one?

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Amazon.com: CammPro I826 1296P HD Police Body Camera,128G Memory,Waterproof Body Worn Camera,Premium Portable Body Camera with Audio Recording Wearable,Night Vision,GPS for Law Enforcement : Electronics

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I'm not a cop, I was thinking of buying one in case I ever get in a situation where I have to shoot in self-defense, just for evidentiary purposes and the legal aftermath. That's probably going to be a really messy situation with a lot of 'he said she said', and a good chance I won't be able to remember exactly what happened.

I have a car cam which saved me a lot of money when my car was hit by two other cars, and everyone except me was lying about exactly what happened and who did what. I was able to show the car cam video to the insurance companies and force them to reimburse me (after threatening them with a lawsuit).

Thanks!

 

[Danzig]

While it’s becoming more popular in vehicles, I think we’re a ways away from personal civilian bodycams.

Whatever happened to the Google glasses? That seemed the easiest way to wear a bodycam.

 

[pr5992]

While it’s becoming more popular in vehicles, I think we’re a ways away from personal civilian bodycams.

Whatever happened to the Google glasses? That seemed the easiest way to wear a bodycam.

I just looked up Google glasses, but those are expensive. And I am not sure what happens to the footage. For sure I don't want it to be uploaded anywhere. I want something simple and cheap, and sturdy, that I can hand over to a police officer and just say "here's what happened", and then they can see for themselves.

Maybe I am overthinking all of this being a gun newbie, but I'm in California and you have to be careful here.

 

[BART]

Other things to consider is what about privacy issues for others being filmed? It wouldn't run only during an encounter.

 

[Danzig]

I just looked up Google glasses, but those are expensive. And I am not sure what happens to the footage. For sure I don't want it to be uploaded anywhere. I want something simple and cheap, and sturdy, that I can hand over to a police officer and just say "here's what happened", and then they can see for themselves.

Maybe I am overthinking all of this being a gun newbie, but I'm in California and you have to be careful here.

I gotcha!

 

[pr5992]

Other things to consider is what about privacy issues for others being filmed? It wouldn't run only during an encounter.

Yeah, that is the idea. I do understand the privacy issues, but I think that's probably secondary when I'm in a situation with a drawn gun.

 

[Danzig]

Yeah, that is the idea. I do understand the privacy issues, but I think that's probably secondary when I'm in a situation with a drawn gun.

It also depends on state law. Most public places have no expectation of privacy.

 

[pr5992]

It also depends on state law. Most public places have no expectation of privacy.

That is true. In public you do not have an expectation of privacy.

But the privacy thing is a red herring. It's not about privacy, it's about recording a situation getting out of hand.

 

[Soldier_boy]

Ok

 

[Filthyphil]

While it’s becoming more popular in vehicles, I think we’re a ways away from personal civilian bodycams.

Whatever happened to the Google glasses? That seemed the easiest way to wear a bodycam.

Rayban has a vid cam version out

 

[SixG17s]

Maybe I am overthinking all of this being a gun newbie, but I'm in California and you have to be careful here.

Yes, you will have far more to worry about than a video if you get into a shooting here. Again, depends on the responding LEO, CHP, PD or Sheriffs. And what they DA says about the case and in which county it occurred.

You know CA is going to require liability insurance in the near future? Some cities already put it in place. I'm curious to know what it's going to cost.

Aside, but the gun parts law has already taken place on July 1. All gun parts have to be purchased from an FFL now.