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Good evening everyone:

I just purchased my first handgun, a Glock 17 third generation. I live in Oakland, originally from Europe. I am not wild about guns in general, but things are getting a little wild around here. When the **** hits the fan I want to be able to defend myself and my loved ones. I will be picking up my gun two weeks from now (California law) and take a couple of handgun safety classes, and training on the range. I know the basics but it's all about training, so safe gun handling becomes second nature.

Two questions:

1. Any recommendations as to ammunition?
2. Any recommendations regarding hearing protection?

Thanks,
Peter
 

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Welcome to the forum from Oklahoma.
Congrats on the new G17. As far ammunition goes, buy what you can when you find it at a reasonable price. I have found online is the best place to find it these days. At least for me and my area.
And for hearing protection, I really like the electronic hearing protection.
 

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Welcome Peter from North Texas!
If you don’t have familiarity with shooting guns you just might want to double up on hearing protection. Ear muffs and foam plugs. I always recommend to people if they think they’re going to take up shooting as a hobby then a set of electronic hearing protection is a needed investment. It doesn’t hurt that prices have come down too.
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Ammo. I’m not partial to any one brand. Stick with brass cased ammo if you can. Reputable manufacturer. For Self Defense just about any name brand hollow point should suffice. Do some research and figure what works for you.
 

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Welcome from NY, the other communist side of the country, Pete.
I can`t really recommend anything more that what the 2 previous posts mentioned.
Shoot a few different defense ammo brands and find out what works best in the gun and for your accuracy.

And train hard! Situational awareness is your first best tool of defense. Eye`s wide open!
 

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Pretty much what Danzig said.
For ammo, the more popular offerings are HST, Gold Dot, and Ranger T. I like the Ranger without the T, and Bonded Golden Saber +P. All work well in the 124 grain weight. Some folks prefer 147 grain, and I like the 147 grain Ranger. At this point in history, take any of these you can find as long as the pistol likes it.
The good part is Glocks will run just about anything, and for range fodder, that is great.
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Good evening everyone:

I just purchased my first handgun, a Glock 17 third generation. I live in Oakland, originally from Europe. I am not wild about guns in general, but things are getting a little wild around here. When the **** hits the fan I want to be able to defend myself and my loved ones. I will be picking up my gun two weeks from now (California law) and take a couple of handgun safety classes, and training on the range. I know the basics but it's all about training, so safe gun handling becomes second nature.

Two questions:

1. Any recommendations as to ammunition?
2. Any recommendations regarding hearing protection?

Thanks,
Peter
Howdy from Wyoming. Where in Europe do you hail from? I lived in Belgium, Bavaria, and the Netherlands for a number of years.
Ammunition? Try different types and determine which gives the best accuracy with your pistol. Availability is also important.
I shoot factory ammo when it's available and doesn't cost and arm and a leg and keep some in the safe but I mostly reload ammo for all my firearms except the 22 calibers.
Hearing protection. You're going to get a lot of responses based on personal preferences. I have an old set of Peltor earmuffs that I like and I keep a couple pairs of foam ear plugs in my range bag just in case I need them.
My advice; talk to your training instructors, other shooters, and find something that not only protects your hearing but is comfortable.
In addition get a holster that is both easy for you to use and comfortable and extra magazines and a pouch to carry them in and last but certainly not least; get something to securely store your pistol and ammunition in.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............
 

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Howdy from Wyoming. Where in Europe do you hail from? I lived in Belgium, Bavaria, and the Netherlands for a number of years.
Ammunition? Try different types and determine which gives the best accuracy with your pistol. Availability is also important.
I shoot factory ammo when it's available and doesn't cost and arm and a leg and keep some in the safe but I mostly reload ammo for all my firearms except the 22 calibers.
Hearing protection. You're going to get a lot of responses based on personal preferences. I have an old set of Peltor earmuffs that I like and I keep a couple pairs of foam ear plugs in my range bag just in case I need them.
My advice; talk to your training instructors, other shooters, and find something that not only protects your hearing but is comfortable.
In addition get a holster that is both easy for you to use and comfortable and extra magazines and a pouch to carry them in and last but certainly not least; get something to securely store your pistol and ammunition in.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............
Thanks - I'm from the Netherlands originally. Had to relinquish my Dutch citizenship when I naturalized to US citizen several years ago. Some of my friends and co-workers thought I was crazy since I already had a Green card, but being a US citizen is important to me. I want to vote here, have no plans to move back to Europe. I actually love living in California, it's not perfect and yes the laws are a little crazy sometimes (and the rear estate prices are totally insane in the SF Bay Area) but the scenery and climate are hard to beat year around.

No holster for me because California is not an open carry State and getting a license for concealed carry is difficult to get, I wouldn't qualify as far as I know. You have to lock the gun in the trunk with the ammo separate.
 

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Thanks for the welcome and feedback everyone. As to ammo, I'll just go with whatever the store recommends me (that's Old West Gun Room in El Cerrito by the way, a bit of an institution here in the Bay Area). Buying ammunition online is not really an option in Calfornia, easiest is to buy from a licensed gun dealer.

As to the hearing protection, I bought an AXIL GS Extreme (that's a little bud that goes in your ear with a clip around your ear to hold it in place; with electronic amplification of ambient sounds, bluetooth etc.) and a Razor Slim electronic muff. The idea is to use both at the same time, so the muffs go on top of the earbuds for additional protection. The Axil has a claimed noise reduction of 29dB and the Razor an additional 23dB. Since I'll wear glasses and there's a little electronic from the Axil going around my neck maybe a little less because of leaking but maybe 50dB total dampening, while still being able to hear my instructor. I've watched dozens of reviews, opinions about what is 'best' differ, I'll start with these and see how they work for me. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid but getting hearing damage or even tinnitus is probably the last thing I need.
 

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Thanks - I'm from the Netherlands originally. Had to relinquish my Dutch citizenship when I naturalized to US citizen several years ago. Some of my friends and co-workers thought I was crazy since I already had a Green card, but being a US citizen is important to me. I want to vote here, have no plans to move back to Europe. I actually love living in California, it's not perfect and yes the laws are a little crazy sometimes (and the rear estate prices are totally insane in the SF Bay Area) but the scenery and climate are hard to beat year around.

No holster for me because California is not an open carry State and getting a license for concealed carry is difficult to get, I wouldn't qualify as far as I know. You have to lock the gun in the trunk with the ammo separate.
I lived in Amsterdam and worked as a private contractor Harley Davidson technician for about a year and while it's a fun place to party it's much too crowded and expensive to live there.
The smaller places like Breda, Tilburg, Eindhoven, and Nijmegen are cheaper and much more pleasant and I hope to be able to go to Assen for the MotoGP races next year.
I also lived and worked outside of Munich Bavaria for a while but overall I preferred being in the Flemish part of Belgium where I stayed for a bit more than 3 years.
From 1953 to 1968 as a child and teenager I lived in Southern California and actually watch Disneyland get completed and opened but there is is no amount of money or type of incentive to entice me to live there now.
A holster is a convenient way to carry your pistol while at the range or if you can find someplace out in the country to shoot. For transporting it in your car I recommend something like this which can also be used to hold ammo if it has to be locked up separately while being transported.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp....................
 

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Thanks for the welcome and feedback everyone. As to ammo, I'll just go with whatever the store recommends me (that's Old West Gun Room in El Cerrito by the way, a bit of an institution here in the Bay Area). Buying ammunition online is not really an option in Calfornia, easiest is to buy from a licensed gun dealer.

As to the hearing protection, I bought an AXIL GS Extreme (that's a little bud that goes in your ear with a clip around your ear to hold it in place; with electronic amplification of ambient sounds, bluetooth etc.) and a Razor Slim electronic muff. The idea is to use both at the same time, so the muffs go on top of the earbuds for additional protection. The Axil has a claimed noise reduction of 29dB and the Razor an additional 23dB. Since I'll wear glasses and there's a little electronic from the Axil going around my neck maybe a little less because of leaking but maybe 50dB total dampening, while still being able to hear my instructor. I've watched dozens of reviews, opinions about what is 'best' differ, I'll start with these and see how they work for me. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid but getting hearing damage or even tinnitus is probably the last thing I need.
Tinnitus is terrible. Protect those ear drums any way possible!
 

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I lived in Amsterdam and worked as a private contractor Harley Davidson technician for about a year and while it's a fun place to party it's much too crowded and expensive to live there.
The smaller places like Breda, Tilburg, Eindhoven, and Nijmegen are cheaper and much more pleasant and I hope to be able to go to Assen for the MotoGP races next year.
I also lived and worked outside of Munich Bavaria for a while but overall I preferred being in the Flemish part of Belgium where I stayed for a bit more than 3 years.
From 1953 to 1968 as a child and teenager I lived in Southern California and actually watch Disneyland get completed and opened but there is is no amount of money or type of incentive to entice me to live there now.
A holster is a convenient way to carry your pistol while at the range or if you can find someplace out in the country to shoot. For transporting it in your car I recommend something like this which can also be used to hold ammo if it has to be locked up separately while being transported.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp....................
Cool ... yeah, I hear you about Amsterdam. Amsterdam is a bit like NYC, cool place to live but $$$ and crowded. Plus, lots of people living in Amsterdam and the "Randstad" in general tend to look down upon the rest of the Netherlands as "peasants". Much in the way that some folks in SF or NYC like to look down on the people living in the "flyover States". Ha! Lots of parallels in other countries as well, people living in Paris tend to view people from the French countryside as peasants. It's all very narrow minded really. That said I lived in Amsterdam for well over a decade when I worked for a big law firm, but was born and raised in Eindhoven and studied at the Maastrict university (beautiful old town all the way down south, with cobblestone streets in the city center and walls built by the Romans, etc.).
 

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Cool ... yeah, I hear you about Amsterdam. Amsterdam is a bit like NYC, cool place to live but $$$ and crowded. Plus, lots of people living in Amsterdam and the "Randstad" in general tend to look down upon the rest of the Netherlands as "peasants". Much in the way that some folks in SF or NYC like to look down on the people living in the "flyover States". Ha! Lots of parallels in other countries as well, people living in Paris tend to view people from the French countryside as peasants. It's all very narrow minded really. That said I lived in Amsterdam for well over a decade when I worked for a big law firm, but was born and raised in Eindhoven and studied at the Maastrict university (beautiful old town all the way down south, with cobblestone streets in the city center and walls built by the Romans, etc.).
I never lived in Eindhoven, Breda or the other places I mentioned but really liked visiting them, and Maastrict like Bruge, is a beautiful old town and a work of art. I detested Paris, like NYC it's crowded, dirty, crime ridden, and full of people that look down on everybody who's not from there. Parisians even look down on other Parisians if they don't live in the "right" part of town. :)
You be careful and stay safe out there in SF and if you ever get a chance check out the Rockies and the Great Plains.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............
 

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You be careful and stay safe out there in SF and if you ever get a chance check out the Rockies and the Great Plains.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............
Always ... the Rockies and the Grand Canyon are still on my bucket list (actually all the national parks). Tomorrow I am heading out to Tahoe, for a mid-week of hiking and mountainbiking. Always fun in every season, and only 3 hours away.
 

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Good evening everyone:

I just purchased my first handgun, a Glock 17 third generation. I live in Oakland, originally from Europe. I am not wild about guns in general, but things are getting a little wild around here. When the **** hits the fan I want to be able to defend myself and my loved ones. I will be picking up my gun two weeks from now (California law) and take a couple of handgun safety classes, and training on the range. I know the basics but it's all about training, so safe gun handling becomes second nature.

Two questions:

1. Any recommendations as to ammunition?
2. Any recommendations regarding hearing protection?

Thanks,
Peter
Welcome to the group. If you ask a question, you'll get an honest answer. The people here have been great with me.
 

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Welcome!
You will - and should - go through lots of ammunition at the range. Not just blasting away, but learning. The Glock is very forgiving of a variety of brands & types so let your wallet help guide your choices. Regular ball (FMJ) is fine for the range, but for personal protection consider JHP. It’ll be expensive (relatively speaking).

Enjoy!
 
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