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Devildawg, exellent show of restraint and control. Glad you had backup so quickly with your neighbor there. Props to you both for handling yourselves well to the Bg, and knowing how to respond when the police showed up.
Glad everything turned out well for you.
 

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Thanks guys... I had to go to the precint today to give and sign statements. Everything should be fine according to the Det. Bureau.
 

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I one had to draw my firearm when my apt. was getting shot at by a disgruntled ex. Not a great feel but it sure was good to know had i seen the whites of the perpetrators eyes i would have confident in my glock's ability to perform and my ability to hit my intended target.
 

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I one had to draw my firearm when my apt. was getting shot at by a disgruntled ex. Not a great feel but it sure was good to know had i seen the whites of the perpetrators eyes i would have confident in my glock's ability to perform and my ability to hit my intended target.
Glad you're ok. Welcome to the Forum. Enjoy!
 

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Glad you're ok. Welcome to the Forum. Enjoy!
 

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Concealed Carry Considerations

With the boom in firearm ownership in recent years, there are a lot of new gun owners, taking advantage of their rights as citizens of the United States of America to “keep and bear arms.” But carrying a concealed firearm is an awesome responsibility. Let’s take a few minutes to consider some things you need to think through very carefully before you decide to carry a concealed weapon. There are legal, ethical, moral and competency implications.

Here are just some of the things you need to be aware of:

Legal Implications

If you carry a gun, you need to be aware of, and prepared to accept the legal consequences, whatever they may be. Are you willing to go through the trouble and expense – both financially and emotionally – of being arrested, charged and tried if you have to use your firearm? If not, leave your firearm at home. Are you ready to deal with whatever might come your way when it comes to encounters with law enforcement officials who may or may not understand and respect your state and local carry laws? Keep in mind that when you carry a firearm you are doing so for defensive purposes. The very concept of defense is to do what is necessary to stop a threat to ones own life or the life of another.

Ethical Implications

When you take on the responsibility of being an armed citizen, you also assume a greater level of ethical responsibility for every aspect of your behavior while packing. You don’t pick fights. You don’t respond to aggressive comments or gestures by going for your gun. You never go looking for trouble. You don’t – ever – drink while armed. And you never brandish it or joke around about carrying concealed. Concealed means concealed…in every possible sense. If you can’t conceal it, do not carry it. You aren’t trying to impress anyone by carrying. Your ethical posture has to be above reproach when carrying. And, don’t get dragged into a conversation about “shooting to kill.” You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the thread and to defend yourself or others in a true emergency.

Moral Implications

Are you mentally prepared to defend yourself? If not, the gun should stay in your safe. If you think you are just going to pull the gun out and wave it around to scare somebody off, don’t carry. If the gun comes out of its holster, you must already have decided to stop a threat. You are using your gun defensively, that is, you are shooting to stop the threat of immanent bodily harm to you, to your loved ones, or an innocent party who is being attacked in danger of being killed. Are you prepared to do whatever it takes to stop a threat and to defend yourself? Have you thought long and hard about what that means? Are you willing to see what a bullet will do to a human body? People don’t always just fall over dead like in the movies. You have to prepare yourself for the emotional trauma of gravely wounding or killing another human being, but remember, your goal is never to kill anyone, it is to stop a threat. Drawing your weapon is the last resort in a truly life, or death, situation, where you must act to defend yourself, or others.

Competency Implications

If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you need to be rigorous about safe, competent gun handling. Your gun is always loaded – or it better be. That means you must never ever, under any circumstance, draw it while carrying unless you’re truly in a life or death situation.

You do not pull it out to show to your buddies. You never point the weapon at anyone, which is referred to as "covering" somebody. Your finger should not be on the trigger, but "indexed" or simply lying against the firearm, ready to move to the trigger, but not on the trigger or in the trigger guard. You simply do not “play around” with your concealed firearm. It goes in the holster and never comes out, unless absolutely necessary.

And you need to be fully trained in the use of your firearm. Find a competent instructor and take a class. Better yet, take several classes. Just as if you want to get to Carnegie hall, you need to practice, practice and practice some more. You owe it to yourself to get in as much range time with your carry gun as you possibly can. If you aren’t willing to master all aspects of handling your concealed carry firearm, don’t strap it on.

These are just some of the things you will need to consider before you take on the responsibility of concealed carry. Yes, it’s your right, but you need to exercise that right legally, ethically, morally and competently or you’ll hurt the cause of those that do.

And finally, here is a good “creed” for a person carrying concealed to live by:

If I draw my gun from it's holster, I have decided that lethal force is imminently necessary to prevent or end the use of force, which I reasonably believe will cause grave bodily harm or death against me. The ultimate fate of my adversary is not my goal, is not even my consideration. I must cause them to cease the actions that I believe are deadly to me. Nothing more. I do not shoot to kill. I shoot to make them stop.

Take care, and stay safe!
 

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Exellent writeup. A lot for everyone to consider when making the choice to carry.
Thank you for posting!
 

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It certainly makes me think twice before applying for my Florida CCW permit, which I'm still debating on. Just glad those who have drawn their firearms to protect their families and property haven't had to actually fire them...pray they never will!
 

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I am in the same place - not sure on the financial part of the court cases that are sure to follow. Ohio does not protect you from civil action, even if you are found innocent/clear of wrongdoing if you have had to stop a situation. Personally I do not think that is fair, to allow a citizen that just legally killed an attacker to be sued by the attacker's family or friends..

I would love to get mine, I would feel much safer when I am in my open Jeep, but I feel that even if I wasn't killed, my life would be over legally or financially or more...
 

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What would of happen if bg turned and said he was going to stuff your firearm up your ass?Or go ahead and shoot toughguy. He might of been high on some substance and not cared, that you were armed. Outcome could of been considerably different for all concerned. Stay safe out there.
 

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That would be when you turn and tell you neighbor to call the cops, stay on him, but I'd he runs don't peruse, give the police the best description they've ever received so they don't have a excuse!
 

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What would of happen if bg turned and said he was going to stuff your firearm up your ass?Or go ahead and shoot toughguy. He might of been high on some substance and not cared, that you were armed. Outcome could of been considerably different for all concerned. Stay safe out there.
Had it happened here (I live in WV), he would have been glocked had he continued in his effort to thieve, or made a move toward me.

He may have well been glocked WITHOUT a warning once he had begun an attempt to steal or harm my property, assuming I am not glocked 1st, of course.
 

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As far as Amsdorf's post on Legalities, Moralities and such, this varies greatly from state to state. KNOW YOUR STATE'S LAWS regarding the use of guns. Some states are so restrictive you may as well say you've lost your rights as opposed to dealing with the legal ramifications... Some states, you have the right to use deadly force for personal protection, defense of those around you and/or in defending your property. So there can be a very wide range from state to state.
 

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I .sell real estate. After showing a home right at dusk, i was sitting in my car filling out some forms. all of a sudden a gentleman (i use the term loosely)jumped in my back seat and pointed a gun in my ribs between the split seats. i had my glock 23 inn a shoulder holster. i pulled it and turned and stuck it in his eye. he took off and i drove about 10 blacks, pulled over and called the police. after i changed my shorts i described him to the officer. they said i was lucky he had shot some one earlier. scared me to death but my ccw and glock saved my life
 

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I .sell real estate. After showing a home right at dusk, i was sitting in my car filling out some forms. all of a sudden a gentleman (i use the term loosely)jumped in my back seat and pointed a gun in my ribs between the split seats. i had my glock 23 inn a shoulder holster. i pulled it and turned and stuck it in his eye. he took off and i drove about 10 blacks, pulled over and called the police. after i changed my shorts i described him to the officer. they said i was lucky he had shot some one earlier. scared me to death but my ccw and glock saved my life
Score one for the good guys! BTW, I'm sure you meant to say "i drove 10 blocks....". Anyway glad to hear you were able to return to your loved ones ok and remember...keep packin'!!!
 

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Concealed Carry Considerations

With the boom in firearm ownership in recent years, there are a lot of new gun owners, taking advantage of their rights as citizens of the United States of America to “keep and bear arms.” But carrying a concealed firearm is an awesome responsibility. Let’s take a few minutes to consider some things you need to think through very carefully before you decide to carry a concealed weapon. There are legal, ethical, moral and competency implications.

Here are just some of the things you need to be aware of:

Legal Implications

If you carry a gun, you need to be aware of, and prepared to accept the legal consequences, whatever they may be. Are you willing to go through the trouble and expense – both financially and emotionally – of being arrested, charged and tried if you have to use your firearm? If not, leave your firearm at home. Are you ready to deal with whatever might come your way when it comes to encounters with law enforcement officials who may or may not understand and respect your state and local carry laws? Keep in mind that when you carry a firearm you are doing so for defensive purposes. The very concept of defense is to do what is necessary to stop a threat to ones own life or the life of another.

Ethical Implications

When you take on the responsibility of being an armed citizen, you also assume a greater level of ethical responsibility for every aspect of your behavior while packing. You don’t pick fights. You don’t respond to aggressive comments or gestures by going for your gun. You never go looking for trouble. You don’t – ever – drink while armed. And you never brandish it or joke around about carrying concealed. Concealed means concealed…in every possible sense. If you can’t conceal it, do not carry it. You aren’t trying to impress anyone by carrying. Your ethical posture has to be above reproach when carrying. And, don’t get dragged into a conversation about “shooting to kill.” You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the thread and to defend yourself or others in a true emergency.

Moral Implications

Are you mentally prepared to defend yourself? If not, the gun should stay in your safe. If you think you are just going to pull the gun out and wave it around to scare somebody off, don’t carry. If the gun comes out of its holster, you must already have decided to stop a threat. You are using your gun defensively, that is, you are shooting to stop the threat of immanent bodily harm to you, to your loved ones, or an innocent party who is being attacked in danger of being killed. Are you prepared to do whatever it takes to stop a threat and to defend yourself? Have you thought long and hard about what that means? Are you willing to see what a bullet will do to a human body? People don’t always just fall over dead like in the movies. You have to prepare yourself for the emotional trauma of gravely wounding or killing another human being, but remember, your goal is never to kill anyone, it is to stop a threat. Drawing your weapon is the last resort in a truly life, or death, situation, where you must act to defend yourself, or others.

Competency Implications

If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you need to be rigorous about safe, competent gun handling. Your gun is always loaded – or it better be. That means you must never ever, under any circumstance, draw it while carrying unless you’re truly in a life or death situation.

You do not pull it out to show to your buddies. You never point the weapon at anyone, which is referred to as "covering" somebody. Your finger should not be on the trigger, but "indexed" or simply lying against the firearm, ready to move to the trigger, but not on the trigger or in the trigger guard. You simply do not “play around” with your concealed firearm. It goes in the holster and never comes out, unless absolutely necessary.

And you need to be fully trained in the use of your firearm. Find a competent instructor and take a class. Better yet, take several classes. Just as if you want to get to Carnegie hall, you need to practice, practice and practice some more. You owe it to yourself to get in as much range time with your carry gun as you possibly can. If you aren’t willing to master all aspects of handling your concealed carry firearm, don’t strap it on.

These are just some of the things you will need to consider before you take on the responsibility of concealed carry. Yes, it’s your right, but you need to exercise that right legally, ethically, morally and competently or you’ll hurt the cause of those that do.

And finally, here is a good “creed” for a person carrying concealed to live by:

If I draw my gun from it's holster, I have decided that lethal force is imminently necessary to prevent or end the use of force, which I reasonably believe will cause grave bodily harm or death against me. The ultimate fate of my adversary is not my goal, is not even my consideration. I must cause them to cease the actions that I believe are deadly to me. Nothing more. I do not shoot to kill. I shoot to make them stop.

Take care, and stay safe!
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I am so happy it worked out for you and that the scumbag was dum enough to stay put until the LEO's arrived. But my guess is, "You really couldn't have shot him had he just gotten on his bike and rode away without escalating the threat, right?" B/E, burglary, isn't a forceable felony is it?

I know very little about Fl. law tho some of ours (SC) are similar. I am pointing this out soley to differentiate between a minor offense (as attempted bugarly at that point you really don't know his intent (but you think youdo)) and a fear for life situation.
In most states B&E is a felony. Your car is an extension of your property only when you in it or when it is on your property. It can be locked and you can have valuables in it as well.
 
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