In light of recent events should Body Armor be strictly regulated?

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RevV

Discussion Starter · May 26, 2022

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First of all, I am praying for all the grieving families in TX and NY, as are most of you. Our pathetic president might even be praying for them because in his shameful speech after the TX tragedy he mentioned God several times. Although most of them seemed to me to be instances of taking God’s name in vain.

Unlike the walking national embarrassment who likes to say that deer don’t wear Kevlar, I strongly support the 2A and I understand that the Founders’ intent for the 2A was to empower average citizens to do what the Founders themselves had recently done—stand up against tyrannical government. That means the intent of the Founders was that average citizens have access to anything the military has. The walking national embarrassment mentioned a while back that to stand up to the government, people would need F-16s. One could make a strong argument that the Founders intended exactly that. In the early days of our nation, civilians could have ships with cannons, which at that time were the functional equivalent of F-16s.

As we know, body armor is not explicitly mentioned in the 2A. Yet, based on the above paragraph, I do think it is within the intent of the 2A, within the penumbra, as legal scholars would say. However, if media reporting is accurate on this detail (a big if), then both the recent sicko in NY and the recent sicko in TX were wearing body armor. Were it not for body armor, the perps would have gone down sooner and taken fewer precious lives in the process.

I am not one to trade freedom for safety because history shows that people who have made that trade usually end up having neither! However, recent tragic events are causing me to wonder whether body armor should be strictly regulated.

Here’s a question for the community:
Should body armor be strictly regulated? Why or why not?

By the way, this nation could dramatically reduce school shootings by hardening schools and by allowing school personnel to carry! Gun-free zones and guns laws—both of which are violated in every school shooting—obviously do not work!

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Griddler

· #41 · May 28, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
Me too but you have to realize and understand that these people actually believe that their interpretation is "the" only true or correct interpretation and can be downright fanatical about their interpretations.
Fanatics are dangerous because they not only demand that they be allowed to believe what they believe but many times they also demand that everybody else believe as they believe.
Ride Safe. Dr. Tramp............

And that is exactly why WE need to set them straight, no matter how long it takes. You have to hit them hard with truth, and facts to back it up. These kinds of people are all loud mouth`s, until you corner them. They usually give up pretty easy and always will avoid you because you`re smarter than they are. They will only pick on those who are weaker. We are not weak, they are.

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Griddler

· #42 · May 28, 2022

Danzig said:
Looks like we’re going to be dealing with fanatics demanding what they want regardless of our input.

We can beat them brother. We just need to stick together, and have a plan.

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Danzig

· #43 · May 28, 2022

Griddler said:
We can beat them brother. We just need to stick together, and have a plan.

McConnell has Cornyn as his point man on this. I’ve got no faith in Republican leadership standing firm.

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Dr.Tramp

· #44 · May 28, 2022 (Edited)

Danzig said:
Looks like we’re going to be dealing with fanatics demanding what they want regardless of our input.

All through human history this has always been a factor to consider. Not only with those that are in opposition to what you believe but at times even among those that on the surface agree with what you believe.
Fanatics don't allow any free or alternate thinking. If you don't absolutely adhere to their way then you are wrong!
This seriously limits critical thinking on any subject and applying it to solving problems.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..........

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Griddler

· #45 · May 28, 2022

Danzig said:
McConnell has Cornyn as his point man on this. I’ve got no faith in Republican leadership standing firm.

I don`t either brother. We`ve got to work overtime this november and get these a-holes out. ALL RINO`s GOT TO GO!

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Griddler

· #46 · May 28, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
All through human history this has always been a factor to consider. Not only with those that are in opposition to what you believe but at time even among those that on the surface agree with what you believe.
Fanatics don't allow any free or alternate thinking. If you don't absolutely adhere to their way then you are wrong!
This seriously limits critical thinking on any subject and applying it to solving problems.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..........

Well if the gun culture hadn`t over slept, and ignored everything for decades. Just sayin.

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Bayou

· #47 · May 28, 2022

I’ll throw in a late NO also! Just like other “regulations” it would only make it harder for law abiding citizens to get body armor. A bound & determined nut job can always make his own with steel plates anyway.

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Dr.Tramp

· #48 · May 28, 2022

Griddler said:
And that is exactly why WE need to set them straight, no matter how long it takes. You have to hit them hard with truth, and facts to back it up. These kinds of people are all loud mouth`s, until you corner them. They usually give up pretty easy and always will avoid you because you`re smarter than they are. They will only pick on those who are weaker. We are not weak, they are.

True but we cannot do this by being mirror images of those that oppose us. One group of fanatics opposing another group of fanatics always ends up with both groups attempting to destroy each other with the end result of neither group winning, but both groups losing.
That is not my goal. My goal is to get responsible firearm owners to address the firearms related problems that exist in the US and by using our knowledge and understanding of firearms to solve and eliminate or at least lessen them.
Unlike many here I have no political axe to grind and have no faith or trust in either major political party.
I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican; I'm a free citizen of the US attempting to use my Rights as a free citizen to protect them and myself against those that threaten them and myself.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............

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Griddler

· #49 · May 28, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
True but we cannot do this by being mirror images of those that oppose us. One group of fanatics opposing another group of fanatics always ends up with both groups attempting to destroy each other with the end result of neither group winning, but both groups losing.
That is not my goal. My goal is to get responsible firearm owners to address the firearms related problems that exist in the US and by using our knowledge and understanding of firearms to solve and eliminate or at least lessen them.
Unlike many here I have no political axe to grind and have no faith or trust in either major political party.
I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican; I'm a free citizen of the US attempting to use my Rights as a free citizen to protect them and myself against those that threaten them and myself.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............

I think we`re pretty much on the same page. We have a hell of a 2A fight ahead of us though, no matter your beliefs, or party. Fanatics are just that, fanatics. They will never stop fighting for what they believe in, and neither will i. If they get nasty, so will i. I will NOT ever bow to extremists or fanatics, that threaten me, or my family, or my country. We share a common goal...FREEDOM! I will let THEM, draw first blood. Then its, GAME ON!

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Danzig

· #50 · May 28, 2022

Griddler said:
Well if the gun culture hadn`t over slept, and ignored everything for decades. Just sayin.

Don’t think the gun culture has been sleeping, anything but. It’s just an unrelenting assault on gun rights at every level. Anything we offer is a non-starter for their side. There’s nothing that will placate them until we are disarmed.
New York which has some of the most severe gun control is clamoring for more after Buffalo. Those of us in free states, are we going to be happy with a national version of the SAFE Act?

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Danzig

· #51 · May 28, 2022

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Griddler

· #52 · May 28, 2022

Danzig said:
Don’t think the gun culture has been sleeping, anything but. It’s just an unrelenting assault on gun rights at every level. Anything we offer is a non-starter for their side. There’s nothing that will placate them until we are disarmed.
New York which has some of the most severe gun control is clamoring for more after Buffalo. Those of us in free states, are we going to be happy with a national version of the SAFE Act?

Things are different in every state. When you strike up a conversation with gun owners in my area of the country, about gun control, its like these gun people here are blind AND deaf! And the ones who you talk to here in NY, that you do strike up a conversation with, have the attitude that you`re an idiot and the second amendment will always protect us (that is, until it doesn`t). Its like they don`t even want to talk about it with you. I was at our local club the other day.... i asked several members there about the latest 2A environment... they just shut right up and walked away. They just want to go back to sleep and not be bothered, here. People just don`t seem to wanna be bothered. I guess they are just to comfortable. Its like that guy that always says, "oh it`ll never happen to me", or, "i don`t care, it doesn`t effect, me", or those people say, "well, move".

As for: "Those of us in free states, are we going to be happy with a national version of the SAFE Act?"
Well brother, the cancer continues to spread. Don`t be surprised when it hits your own state.

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RIP

· #53 · May 28, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
Interesting. Then perhaps you'll appreciate the humorous irony that there are folks that also consider themselves 2nd Amendment absolutists but interpret it to mean that the 2nd Amendment strictly and only applies to those "arms" that were available to citizens when the Amendment was written and adopted.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..............

Then I should have a cannon. I’ll take this one:

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Danzig

· #54 · May 28, 2022

Beach Life said:
Then I should have a cannon. I’ll take this one:

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Dr.Tramp

· #55 · May 28, 2022

Beach Life said:
Then I should have a cannon. I’ll take this one:

Sweet! When I win the Big Lotto a couple each of these are on my list of goodies to have in my copy of Bent's Fort. I'll mount the Gatling guns on carriages for mobility.

Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp...........

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LostinTexas

· #56 · May 28, 2022

Danzig said:
McConnell has Cornyn as his point man on this. I’ve got no faith in Republican leadership standing firm.

Cornyn needs to go away. The RINO is probably having a hand wringing party with Pelosi and Feinstein.
Seems the Uvaldy PD sat on their thumbs and allowed the carnage to continue, threatening and holding back the lone hero. He went in and finished the job they didn't even start, bunch of cowards.
If I were the conspiracy theorist people claim I am, I'd suggest that was orchestrated to some point. Hmm.

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Bayou

· #57 · May 30, 2022 (Edited)

Sad, but it looks as if the Uvalde PD did just sit on their hands while the shooting continued. I could understand that they were afraid (who wouldn’t be?), but they signed up to serve & protect and failed to do their job.

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Dr.Tramp

· #58 · May 30, 2022

Bayou said:
Sad, but it looks as if the Uvalde PD did just sit on their hands while the shooting continued. I could understand that they were afraid (who wouldn’t be?), but they signed up to serve & protect and failed to do their job.

Well according to the USSC and other Federal Courts police have no Constitutional obligation to actually protect citizens.
Though they're paid with citizen's tax dollars their primary duty is to enforce the regulations and laws of the State.

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Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.......................

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LElliott

· #59 · May 31, 2022

No, Don't even bring it up in public. Democrats/Liberals/Communists love to create solutions to problems that don't exist.

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LElliott

· #60 · May 31, 2022

Bayou said:
Sad, but it looks as if the Uvalde PD did just sat on their hands while the shooting continued. I could understand that they were afraid (who wouldn’t be?), but they signed up to serve & protect and failed to do their job.

Funny how this all resembles the school shooting in Florida huh. See a pattern/playbook here? This was a Deep State gun grab set up and they don't care who they kill.

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