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Do you believe in Lethal Force to Protect your Homestead

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Homeowner uses lethal force.

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This thread is to provide stories and lawful commentary regarding the use of lethal force to protect our homesteads. Americans have been using lethal force to protect their homestead since before the 13 colonies. This thread is for educational purposes only. Therefore, please only provide legal arguments for or against lethal force for protecting your homestead. If you provide clearly unlawful commentary:
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Not a homeowner incident; another crazy and kids incident. Fortunately nobody was hurt except the crazy who the police whacked (Good Riddance) and another example of good work from both the civilians, who seem to have prepared quite well for this possibility, and local PD. A really excellent response time and reaction from the PD.
This type of widespread, dangerous, and increasing craziness is one reason for the 2nd Amendment. Long ago when something like this threatened a community the civilian militia would work with and back up the official law folks if there were any; if not they'd just try and handle things themselves.
Not as a vigilante mob, but as a trained and organized, civilian militia.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp.............
 
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I used to know a guy that bred and trained pit bulls. They were trained to let you into the yard and even the house or garage but would stop you when you tried to leave. He said he trained them that way because if somebody broke into his place he wanted to know who they were.
He was very selective in his breeding, didn't raise a lot of dogs, only sold them in pairs, and was also very picky about who he sold them to. Unless a buyer agreed to get trained on how to work with the dogs they had no chance of getting a pair.
Despite half of the buyers failing the training or being rejected for some other reason, or maybe because of this, he had a waiting list of potential buyers.
The first and only time somebody did break into his garage the training worked perfectly. He came home after being gone all day and found a completely terrified crook cornered in the garage by the dogs. He said he'd never seen somebody so happy to be turned over to the cops. :)
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..............
 
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This seems like a solid case for valid use of deadly force, even in California.

Anyone disagree?

 
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Even the most solid use of force cases can get you charged if not convicted in certain locales.
After Zimmerman and Rittenhouse the prosecutors in some jurisdictions are more lynch mobs than arbiters of the law.
I could see a prosecutor saying the victim shouldn’t have confronted the 2, he had a duty to retreat and call 911. He put himself in a position only because he was armed. A wannabe vigilante.
The latest mantra of the left is you can’t value property over someone’s life. 🙄
 
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Yeah, but this wasn't about property. This was about protecting himself from severe bodily harm. You have to break this down:

1. Guy sees a stranger inside his vehicle and another guy around his vehicle.
2. Guy asks 'hey what are you doing?'
3. Perps respond by pepper spraying him and possibly firing a gun
4. Guy pulls guns for which he had legal CCW permit and opens fire
5. Perps flee

I mean, even under California law this seems a clean cut situation where you can use lethal force for self defense.
 
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A 93-year-old southern California homeowner shot and critically wounded an intruder who was part of a group he said kicked in the door of his Moreno Valley residence after midnight Wednesday and began attacking him.


What are the details?


Homeowner Joe Teague told KNBC-TV the group — which consisted of "ladies and men" — "kicked the door open," after which "the big guy, he came at me" and the rest of the group "started throwing objects that [were] in the house at me."


Teague added to the station that "when they broke in, they got a lot of my equipment, and I approached them to put them under citizens arrest," he noted to the station, adding that "I kept telling them, 'I have a shotgun with three shells in it,' but I actually only had one. And they kept throwing stuff at me."


With that, Teague fired his shotgun once, hitting one of the intruders, KNBC reported.


The Riverside County Sheriff's Office said the wounded intruder was in critical condition, the station said, adding that Teague was told by authorities that the intruder won't survive — information that KNBC said it's trying confirm.


The Central Homicide Unit was investigating Wednesday morning given the severity of the intruder's condition, the station said.


'They've been watching him'


Oscar Malma — who's married to Teague's granddaughter — explained to KNBC that Teague has been living with his daughter since his wife died a few months ago, so he hasn't been at his home in the 24300 block of Eucalyptus Avenue as much.


"Recently he's been having break-ins," Malma told the station.


"It happened once on Friday; on [a] bright day they went to break in the house. And now this happened in the middle of the night? ... They were looking for him. They've been watching him. They've been watching the house for a while."


Malma added to KNBC that Teague has grown tired of the break-ins and police taking too long to respond.


"He was tired because every time he calls the police, [they take] forever to come and assist him," Malma told KABC-TV. "He took the law into his own hands." The station said authorities have not confirmed how many reported break-ins there have been at Teague's home.


Malma added to KNBC that Teague is "an old retired plumber, and he has a lot of tools. ... He was a musician as well, so he's got a lot of ... instruments," Malma told the station. "And little by little they've been ripping him off."


Teague taken in for questioning


Teague was taken in for questioning following the shooting, a process that took multiple hours to complete, KNBC said.


"I don’t blame Joe," Malma told the station. "He’s been working all his life, he’s 93 years old ... and whatever little things he has, he needs to protect them."


It isn't clear if any arrests have been made, KNBC said.


Malma told KABC he doesn't believe his relative will be arrested because "he was defending his property. That happened inside his house. So I don't think there's any reason for him to be arrested."


Wounded individual identified


The wounded individual was identified as 33-year-old Joseph A. Ortega of Moreno Valley, the sheriff's office said as part of a press release titled, "Homeowner Justified in Shooting of an Intruder." The release added that Teague was unharmed.
 
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The outcome in this stuation would have been the same in California where the Castle doctrine applies. You have a right to use deadly force when people break into your home and you can reasonably believe that you face severe bodily harm or death. Certainly seems the case here, where one of the intruders managed to get a hold of the homeowner's handgun after he accidentally dropped it.
 
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Too many idiots with guns.

Can somebody please invent a device that keeps guns out of the hands of idiots like these.

It's a bowley alley, not a gun range. And by the way even at a gun range you're not supposed to shoot at each other, just at the targets down range.

 
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Too many idiots with guns.

Can somebody please invent a device that keeps guns out of the hands of idiots like these.

It's a bowley alley, not a gun range. And by the way even at a gun range you're not supposed to shoot at each other, just at the targets down range.

Governor Nuisance is on it, no worries. I`m sure he will make up some more new laws out there in Calipornia.
 
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They should make completion of at least basic training a requirement before you can buy a gun.

I can hear y'all, "oh yeah sure new gun laws bring it on". But the written test in California is a joke, and so is the mandatory 'training' the FFL dealer is required to give you before you can take the gun home. It's a piece of paper that the gun dealer has to fill out under the law.
 
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Another public shooting but cut short by an armed citizen. (y)
I'm curious to see how this gets covered and reported. Not the dead dog meat perp and his mental condition, motives, yadda, yadda but the citizen.
Was he trained or did he just get in a lucky shot or two, how many times was he on target, what was he shooting, etc.?
Not to make a hero out of the person but to show that in some instances "a good guy with a gun can indeed stop a bad guy with a gun".
Also use this incident to encourage all firearm owners to get or continue their firearms training.
Imagine... T-shirts, posters, decals; A target with a tight group on the bullseye. Above "Firearms Training" below "Do It - It Works" :)
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..............
 
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I once paid for and attended a CCW prep class. :ROFLMAO: Glad it didn't cost much because I sure didn't give much in return, just half a day of lectures covering general laws, safety basics, and shooting techniques (sight use, grip styles,ammo types, etc.) with plastic pistols, a short written test at the end and no shooting.
I agree that from a certain grade NRA style firearms safety and shooting courses should be a voluntary part, like sports, of regular school curriculum.
Passing such a course should be a prerequisite to buying a firearm from a dealer and passing an advanced shooting course should be a prerequisite for a CCW.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..............
 
#143 ·
I've watched this video several times now and there are a lot of things to talk about.

1. I like this guy and respect his service in the military. God bless him and his family.
2. That said, there are several things that are wrong.
3. He should not have left his gun in his truck out at night. He should have locked it into his home.
4. He said he wanted to defend his wife, but why did he run out firing his rifle, to defend his BMW and his truck? Was his wife in the BMW? Or the truck?
5. He ended up with his BMW being bull riddled and totaled. Not a good outcome. No matter what you think about BMW, that was a nice car probably until it got hosed by gun fire.
6. The a holes that tried to steal the gun from his truck were successful. They now have another gun to commit crime.

Again not to criticize but this is just not a good situation overall.
 
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