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Do you believe in Lethal Force to Protect your Homestead

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Yeah, but this wasn't about property. This was about protecting himself from severe bodily harm. You have to break this down:

1. Guy sees a stranger inside his vehicle and another guy around his vehicle.
2. Guy asks 'hey what are you doing?'
3. Perps respond by pepper spraying him and possibly firing a gun
4. Guy pulls guns for which he had legal CCW permit and opens fire
5. Perps flee

I mean, even under California law this seems a clean cut situation where you can use lethal force for self defense.
In states like California & WA they’ll say if you hadn’t confronted the car thieves carrying a pistol. You wouldn’t have been in a situation to use lethal force. In this case the “ good guy” probably won’t be charged since he didn’t drop any bodies. Another thing to consider in far blue states is the civil penalties. Being cleared criminally doesn’t stop someone from taking you to civil court in some states. I don’t agree with it, but that’s the way it goes.
 

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In states like California & WA they’ll say if you hadn’t confronted the car thieves carrying a pistol. You wouldn’t have been in a situation to use lethal force. In this case the “ good guy” probably won’t be charged since he didn’t drop any bodies. Another thing to consider in far blue states is the civil penalties. Being cleared criminally doesn’t stop someone from taking you to civil court in some states. I don’t agree with it, but that’s the way it goes.
This goes to the facts.

I don't know whether he confronted the thieves, carrying the pistol. From what I read, he just walked up to the thieves asking "hey what are you doing."
 

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A 93-year-old southern California homeowner shot and critically wounded an intruder who was part of a group he said kicked in the door of his Moreno Valley residence after midnight Wednesday and began attacking him.


What are the details?


Homeowner Joe Teague told KNBC-TV the group — which consisted of "ladies and men" — "kicked the door open," after which "the big guy, he came at me" and the rest of the group "started throwing objects that [were] in the house at me."


Teague added to the station that "when they broke in, they got a lot of my equipment, and I approached them to put them under citizens arrest," he noted to the station, adding that "I kept telling them, 'I have a shotgun with three shells in it,' but I actually only had one. And they kept throwing stuff at me."


With that, Teague fired his shotgun once, hitting one of the intruders, KNBC reported.


The Riverside County Sheriff's Office said the wounded intruder was in critical condition, the station said, adding that Teague was told by authorities that the intruder won't survive — information that KNBC said it's trying confirm.


The Central Homicide Unit was investigating Wednesday morning given the severity of the intruder's condition, the station said.


'They've been watching him'


Oscar Malma — who's married to Teague's granddaughter — explained to KNBC that Teague has been living with his daughter since his wife died a few months ago, so he hasn't been at his home in the 24300 block of Eucalyptus Avenue as much.


"Recently he's been having break-ins," Malma told the station.


"It happened once on Friday; on [a] bright day they went to break in the house. And now this happened in the middle of the night? ... They were looking for him. They've been watching him. They've been watching the house for a while."


Malma added to KNBC that Teague has grown tired of the break-ins and police taking too long to respond.


"He was tired because every time he calls the police, [they take] forever to come and assist him," Malma told KABC-TV. "He took the law into his own hands." The station said authorities have not confirmed how many reported break-ins there have been at Teague's home.


Malma added to KNBC that Teague is "an old retired plumber, and he has a lot of tools. ... He was a musician as well, so he's got a lot of ... instruments," Malma told the station. "And little by little they've been ripping him off."


Teague taken in for questioning


Teague was taken in for questioning following the shooting, a process that took multiple hours to complete, KNBC said.


"I don’t blame Joe," Malma told the station. "He’s been working all his life, he’s 93 years old ... and whatever little things he has, he needs to protect them."


It isn't clear if any arrests have been made, KNBC said.


Malma told KABC he doesn't believe his relative will be arrested because "he was defending his property. That happened inside his house. So I don't think there's any reason for him to be arrested."


Wounded individual identified


The wounded individual was identified as 33-year-old Joseph A. Ortega of Moreno Valley, the sheriff's office said as part of a press release titled, "Homeowner Justified in Shooting of an Intruder." The release added that Teague was unharmed.
 

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I would have taken cover behind that big tree to his right, his car was shot to pieces. I don’t mean to criticize him too much, but I was taught by the Army to take cover, and then to stabilize the weapon.

Anyway….
(y) BINGO! My thoughts exactly!
 

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And never wear flip flops when you are about to use a gun, wear shoes that will stick to your feet.

BTW: the homeowner is anything but stupid, like the cops said he was, since he made the wise and intelligent decision to guard his property.

I admire the guy.
Got that right! Flip-flops can get you killed! There is no doubt in my mind that the homeowner has NOT been trained, properly. So in my own opinion, the guy isn`t to smart to start with in how he handled it from the start. I can appreciate people who defend their loved ones and property, but this guy was a fool. At least many others out there can and do defend their family and property, and hopefully trained well enough to do so, but most are not. A home attack is just that. They catch you off guard, and you can only hope you are ready to know what to do in a blink of an eye.

If this were me, where i live, i would have been arrested, convicted, sent to jail for what he did. (duty to retreat state - NY)
This guy in the video went looking for trouble and FULL GUN-HO, not ready to go when he found it!
 

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Got that right! Flip-flops can get you killed! There is no doubt in my mind that the homeowner has NOT been trained, properly. So in my own opinion, the guy isn`t to smart to start with in how he handled it from the start. I can appreciate people who defend their loved ones and property, but this guy was a fool.

At least many others out there can and do defend their family and property, and hopefully trained well enough to do so, but most are not. A home attack is just that. They catch you off guard, and you can only hope you are ready to know what to do in a blink of an eye.

If this were me, where i live, i would have been arrested, convicted, sent to jail for what he did. (duty to retreat state - NY)
This guy in the video went looking for trouble and FULL GUN-HO, not ready to go when he found it!
Im not going to call him a fool, I will say that he under-estimated things. But at least he faced them, and returned fire.
 

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I admire his courage and respect his service.

But this may not be over yet. From this youtube video it seems that he ran outside with his rifle to protect his BMW.

Using a firearm to protect property is a big no no.
That depends on where and when, among other things.
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It is different from State to State.

I am in California. The basic rule here in California is that you cannot use lethal force to defend property.
Same where i live too. We have to run away so that the burglars can shoot us in the back while we`re trying to retreat.
 
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