Homeowner uses lethal force.

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Discussion Starter · May 17, 2022

This thread is to provide stories and lawful commentary regarding the use of lethal force to protect our homesteads. Americans have been using lethal force to protect their homestead since before the 13 colonies. This thread is for educational purposes only. Therefore, please only provide legal arguments for or against lethal force for protecting your homestead. If you provide clearly unlawful commentary:

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Discussion Starter · #2 · May 17, 2022

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Indiana homeowner shoots 2 suspected armed intruders, holds others at gunpoint until cops arrive

Indiana homeowner in DeKalb County shoots two suspected burglars, held two others at gunpoint until DeKalb County Sheriff’s Department and Auburn Police Department arrive at home.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · May 17, 2022

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Texas homeowner shoots, kills armed intruder: reports

A potential armed robbery at a home in Canton, Texas last week was cut short after its owner shot and killed the intruder, according to local reports.

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Griddler

· #4 · May 17, 2022

Taken out the trash!

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Kraken

· #5 · May 18, 2022

Love it!!!!

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Dr.Tramp

· #6 · May 18, 2022 (Edited)

Just remember; if you use a firearm, or any means of deadly force for that matter, to defend yourself or your property against an armed attacker/intruder be knowledgeable of and ready to deal with the possible legal consequences that exist in your particular state and community.
For example; if I whack an armed intruder here in Wyoming the legal consequences are going to be much different than if my brother does the same thing where he lives in Colorado.
So educate yourselves and look into legal coverage from an organization like USCCA, Legal Shield, etc., because as an attorney friend once told me, "The law best favors those who can best afford it."
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..........

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Lucian_253

· #7 · May 18, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
Just remember; if you use a firearm, or any means of deadly force for that matter, to defend yourself or your property against an armed attacker/intruder be knowledgeable of and ready to deal with the possible legal consequences that exist in your particular state and community.
For example; if I whack an armed intruder here in Wyoming the legal consequences are going to be much different than if my brother does the same thing where he lives in Colorado.
So educate yourselves and look into legal coverage from an organization like USCCA, Legal Shield, etc., because as an attorney friend once told me, "The law best favors those who can best afford it."
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..........

Or you could be in WA state like me. Concealed carry insurance is illegal, I cannot shoot someone over property, & if I do use legal deadly force. I’ll be civilly screwed at the very least. We have no castle doctrine or stand your ground laws here.

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Dr.Tramp

· #8 · May 18, 2022

Lucian_253 said:
Or you could be in WA state like me. Concealed carry insurance is illegal, I cannot shoot someone over property, & if I do use legal deadly force. I’ll be civilly screwed at the very least. We have no castle doctrine or stand your ground laws here.

Your tax dollars at work; against you. Sounds like WA firearm owners need to get organized and start using their voting power.
It's amazing how much better politicians listen when their place at the tax payer funded feed trough is threatened.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp............

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Griddler

· #9 · May 18, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
Your tax dollars at work; against you. Sounds like WA firearm owners need to get organized and start using their voting power.
It's amazing how much better politicians listen when their place at the tax payer funded feed trough is threatened.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp............

Or worse, you could be living in NYS, where we are thoroughly out numbered by dictators.
NYS is a "duty to retreat" state, even when you`re trying to run away with 15 bullets in your back.

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Lucian_253

· #10 · May 19, 2022

Dr.Tramp said:
Your tax dollars at work; against you. Sounds like WA firearm owners need to get organized and start using their voting power.
It's amazing how much better politicians listen when their place at the tax payer funded feed trough is threatened.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp............

We go to 10 round magazines in July. Too many Cali transplants due to the Tech Industry here. Our Governor imo is a dangerous man to have power. He hasn’t even relinquished his emergency powers granted for Covid. He also likes wasting money running for President.

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Griddler

· #11 · May 19, 2022

Lucian_253 said:
We go to 10 round magazines in July. Too many Cali transplants due to the Tech Industry here. Our Governor imo is a dangerous man to have power. He hasn’t even relinquished his emergency powers granted for Covid. He also likes wasting money running for President.

Trust me when i say, that i feel your pain.

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Dr.Tramp

· #12 · May 19, 2022

Lucian_253 said:
We go to 10 round magazines in July. Too many Cali transplants due to the Tech Industry here. Our Governor imo is a dangerous man to have power. He hasn’t even relinquished his emergency powers granted for Covid. He also likes wasting money running for President.

Like I said, WA firearm owners need to organize and use the power of their vote. Not as individuals but as a block of voters to take back their rights.
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."
P.J. O'Rourke
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..............

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Griddler

· #13 · May 19, 2022 (Edited)

I would have to say this was justifiable in the video below. But in the state of NYS, you would have been arrested for protecting yourself.
Now, which brings a question to my mind, being that i live in NYS "duty to retreat"... i am disabled, i can`t retreat... so i`ll have to take my chances with the jury.

As far as i`m concerned, this homeowner in this video had every right to smoke every one of those parasites.

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Griddler

· #14 · May 19, 2022

Castle Doctrine in New York

New York allows the use of force for self defense when the person has a reasonable belief that they are in immediate danger. Deadly force maybe used when the person believe that; the aggressor is about to kill them. Also when it's to prevent a rape, robbery, kidnapping, or burglary.

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Stand Your Ground in New York

There is a duty to retreat before force for self defense can be used.

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Magazine Capacity Restriction in New York

While New York's magazine limit is 10 rounds loading a magazine with more than 7 is illegal even with CCW permit. More than 7 round maybe loaded when hunting, in one's home, or when at a shooting range. The .22 tubular magazine is exempt from the 7 rounds law. Law enforcement both active and...

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This is WRONG and INCCORECT information about NY magazines. We can NOT possess ANY magazine over 10 rounds...period.
"In some cases magazines that were bought before the law was put in place must be registered with the police"

elk creek

· #15 · May 19, 2022

These Justified Saves episodes are pretty informative. I believe a person can learn some good information listening to them. Don’t really know how to post the link so I took a screenshot..

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Griddler

· #16 · May 19, 2022

This was interesting. This law firm is in Binghamton NY. It sheds some light on the differences between florida and ny with "stand your ground".

www.jacksonbergman.com

NYS Stand Your Ground Law Defense | Jackson Bergman, LLP

Learn more about NYS stand your ground law and how it relates to the law in Florida.

www.jacksonbergman.com

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Dr.Tramp

· #17 · May 19, 2022

A similar event happened here in Wyoming several years ago. 5 armed guys broke into a home and 2 of them got dropped by the home owner with a 45acp pistol, one terminally. The other 3 beat feet most rikki tiki.
The home owner spent a night in jail but in the morning the district attorney ordered him released with no charges and had his pistol returned to him. One cop told the home owner, "nice shot placement".
The wounded perp cut a deal with the district attorney to drop a dime on his 3 amigos. He got a manslaughter charge and they got slammed with murder charges.
Ride Safe. Dr.Tramp..................

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Griddler

· #18 · May 19, 2022

elk creek said:
These Justified Saves episodes are pretty informative. I believe a person can learn some good information listening to them. Don’t really know how to post the link so I took a screenshot.. View attachment 268947

EC, these might be the same guys. They have a youtube channel. I watch it all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/c/Usafirearmtraining/videos

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Firedog

· #19 · May 20, 2022

look it, it would be hard to live with because the human brain is trained to not kill, but that "POS" who brakes into your house at 3 am didnt go and tell jimbo and billybob he was going to your house and do what he tried to do. So if you happen to off the guy ask yourself this "who will actually miss this person" would one of their meth buddies call the poopoo and file a missing person?

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Discussion Starter · #20 · May 20, 2022

Firedog said:
it would be hard to live with because the human brain is trained to not kill,

No, it’s not.

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