Gun store requiring cond.4 weapons in store

That sounds dangerous...and stupid on their part...

and I would not want to be in that store when someone else was clearing their weapon either.

Was there an area set aside, or do they expect people to clear their weapons outside their front door.

Unbelieveable...incredible...stupid !

 

The liability alone would / should raise concerns...I've have seen ( and having served, so have you ) people

who shouldn't even carry a gun at the range and how they handle their firearms...and the likelyhood of an AD

outside or inside an establishment really begs for an explaination of how they can maintain insurance given the unsafe

environment they are willingly creating...it's borders on the absurd !!

 

When i lived in Grand Rapids MI the lame store there Silver Bullet had this. I ignored their signs and carried concealed everytime. The one time it came up i said no way in hell i will clear my gun when you all clear yours. Every employee there carries, they all think they are gods gift to guns, and they scare the **** out of me.

 

The range I shoot at here in Virginia mandates that all weapons be unloaded prior to entering the store front (either through the front door or from the range) with no exceptions. That's the only place I have run into it. The NRA range out in Fairfax where I shoot sometimes does not have the same rule and none of the gun stores have that rule.

I have always just assumed they had an issue and decided that it was safer to ask everyone to unload prior to coming into the shop. My guess is that they had a ND. But in other parts of the county there may be regulations that require guns to be unloaded.

Edit: I meant to say country above, not county, just to clarify. :>

 

Forgot about that. I didnt understand it

 

I'm in the same area as you. Can you PM me the name of this range so I don't have to deal with this in the future? I don't think the county has any regulations requiring guns to be unloaded in shops.

 

Same area in Virginia that is.

 

There are two stores here that have signs posted. One has a range and the other just recently moved and will be opening a range. They expect you to clear your weapon before entering the store or leave it in the car. I shoot at that range occasionally, because it's the closest, and I've never bothered. My carry gun is concealed. It gets cleared when I get to my lane in the range. They have cameras, they do watch them and they will say something if someone is doing something against the rules. They have yet to say anything to me about it.

The stores that I've encountered this in, as I said above, expect you to clear your weapon before you enter. This is for liability reasons; they don't want you handling a loaded weapon in the store.

There are plenty of idiots out there who will whip out there condition 1 weapon to check holster fit or to see if it will fit in a case, etc. That's the reason why they want the weapon cleared.

I don't know what they'll do when they open the range, but the store I mentioned that just moved requires you to check your weapon at the counter when you walk in and they tag it. All of their guns for sale have sensor tags on them, different colors for used and new, then they have another color for guns going to the gunsmith and another for customer guns. They tag it and hand it back to you. You get the tag removed when you leave.

Normally, I just leave it concealed.

There's another store I've been to that just sells gear. It's not a surplus store, but they sell tactical gear, holsters, knives, OC, etc. Everything except guns.

They have a sign that says, basically, "We respect the 2nd amendment and your right to carry; we only ask that you not handle loaded guns in the store. If you are going to be trying holsters, please clear your gun before entering the store." I think that's the most reasonable one I've seen.

 

The stores I frequent here have the same policy, (signs posted). If you're carrying, do not draw your weapon in the store under any circumstance. Like someone mentioned above, all the counter help are packing. At best, you'll be asked to leave and never come back. At worst, well, you know what worst would be.

 

Here in Texas you can put up your own signs as much as you want, but unless you have the penal code 30.06 sign, they don't mean sh*t

 

Might be one of those things that the larger stores which have a range mentioned in OP's post may be required by their range's insurer to ask people to not carry loaded firearms into the building. Maybe cooler heads in the store are prevailing because they realize more than their insurers that a holstered and untouched weapon is a SAFE weapon, and have decided not to make people draw their weapons to unload because of the chance of a NG.

Making someone clear their carry weapon is exponentially more dangerous than just letting people keep their condition 1 firearms holstered, thus SAFE because the triggers are covered. Soon as stores start asking folks to put hands on their guns in order to unload and make them 'safe', they're gonna have a crap ton of people not used to unholstering and unloading their weapons in a public place doing so. Recipe for problems!

Hey MarinewithaGlock, could you ask your stores if they ask people to go condition 4 because of range insurance reasons? I'm going to my LGS/range today and will do the same. I don't even know if my LGS/range has a 'please unload' policy if you are CCW (I never tell anyone when I am carrying, ever), but they've never asked me if I am carrying, and I'm not about to tell them if I am.

I'm thinking the reply from my LGS will be along the lines of 'we have to ask people to unload their firearm if we know someone is carrying because of the range's liability insurance protocols, but we don't want to offend customers by asking them if they are carrying so we are constantly forgetting to ask. Oops.'

Will post the LGS take on things tonight after taking my G30 and Sig P226 9mm out for some range time.

 

Well, went to my LGS/range today and had a great time! Asked the gentlemen at the counter their policy about unloading firearms before entering the building, and they said if you are carrying a gun into the store that is not your CCW (something you are bringing in for trade, repair, or for using at their range), it must be unloaded and in a case of some sort for safety reasons. They also said that if you are carrying concealed, they have no issue with it being in condition 1, and they don't feel it necessary to ask anyone to disclose if they are carrying concealed. The only problem comes up when someone enters the store carrying concealed who wants to shoot that concealed firearm in their range or if there's a possibility of needing to draw the carry weapon (say to try the fit of a new holster), in which case they ask you to treat your concealed carry like any other firearm brought to the range - empty and holstered before entering the building.

The explanation (and distinction that I never made between carrying a non CCW gun into the building loaded, and your actual CCW - the thought of bringing a range gun into the building already loaded is so alien to me that it never crossed my mind that someone might need to be told not to do this) seemed perfectly reasonable, and I thanked them for helping me to better understand.

 

I get why they do it, but just like the "no firearms allowed" signs I have zero intention of listening lol.

The barrel is a very good idea.