Glock shoots way left and way down fixed sights

Discussion in 'Optics / Sights / Lasers / Lights' started by 2_Late_I_Won, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. 2_Late_I_Won

    2_Late_I_Won New Member

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    Hey guys and girls (if any) new to the sight. Picked up my first brand new Glock (glock 27) a few months ago for my conceal carry. Finally got out to the range and it shoots way off to the left and down. @ about 25 feet aiming for the center it shoots about 1 1/2' both down and left. I practice slow and steady trigger control and pull with proper stance. This has fixed sights. How do I fix? I've never had a gun with fixed sights before.

    Thanks for your help
     
  2. MikeV826

    MikeV826 New Member

    From my understanding, it would be extremely rare for the stock sights to be inaccurate on a brand new Glock. I know you said you think your trigger control is steady, but low left is very common with an unfamiliar weapon. It could be a problem with your support hand. Sometimes gripping too hard with the support hand can pull it low left (if you're a righty). Best way to find out whats up is set up a target at about ten yards and bench rest the pistol and really concentrate on the trigger pull. I'd be willing to bet your grouping is perfect. Also, try shooting strong hand only to rule out a problem with your support hand grip. I actually shoot better support hand only from close range because I have a habit of shooting low left because I'm gripping too hard with the support hand.

    Good luck
     

  3. MikeV826

    MikeV826 New Member

    Sorry I meant to say I shoot better *strong* hand only from close range
     
  4. How much of your finger pad is on the trigger? If you are using the tip if your finger that will happen. You should be placing the center of the trigger in roughly the center of your finger pad. Practice dry firing and you will see exactly where your front sight goes at the click.
     
  5. jonm61

    jonm61 New Member

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    Right Hand Shooter Correction
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    Left Hand Shooter Correction
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    Correcting Common Shooter Errors

    Anticipation of Recoil – A muscular reflex that can occur so close to actual recoil that it can
    be difficult to separate and eliminate.

    Heeling – Squeezing gun just before a shot goes off, which is a byproduct of Recoil
    Anticipation resulting in a pushing upward on the grips of the gun with the heel of the shooting hand.

    Thumbing – Squeezing the thumb on shooting hand while pressing trigger.

    Pushing – Pushing forward on the grips of the gun when pressing trigger.

    Follow-through is extremely important. This is the effort to maintain everything about your
    grip & sight-alignment that was true at the point the last shot fired. In order to follow-through
    properly, you will have to resist the urge to look at the target to see where the round hit.
    Concentrate on taking a mental picture of the sight orientation at the very moment the shot
    fired, then you can “call the shot” (predict where it hit the target).
     
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  6. Awesome post! Even though I knew most of it from 10's of 1000's of rounds fired and figuring it out myself.....I've never seen that graph before. Good stuff!:cool:
     
  7. 2_Late_I_Won

    2_Late_I_Won New Member

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    wow very helpful chart thanks. I'll try shooting it with just my strong hand (Right) and see what happens. I could see being off a little bit but being off a 1.5' is pretty dangerous. Since it is my conceal carry I wont need it until closer like 10-15 ft or so and it would be really hard to miss but I like perfection.

    Thanks for the help

    Also this may help to know (Im sure its in this forum somewhere) but my bulls eye sits on the top of the front sight or the top of the front sight white circle? I know there is only about a 1/16th" difference but I know that 1/16" makes a big difference.
     
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  8. jimmyalbrecht

    jimmyalbrecht Glockn Rollin

    I line my front sight flush with the top of the back sight (stock sights) and I place the very top of those two sights intersecting at the dead center of the bullseye. If I hold it there, it will hit there.
     
  9. 2_Late_I_Won

    2_Late_I_Won New Member

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    After Looking a bit closer Humm this maybe why its
    Shoots to the left. Rear sight isn't centered
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  10. Hard to tell in the pic, your gun is slightly tilted to the right and it's blurry. When sights are off you'll most likely be way more off than 1.5". I know this from installing tru glows that are much harder to get centered because they are narrower.

    Try taking another pic. If they are in fact off they are very easy to shift. Just use a nylon tip, brass or wooden punch to tap it around.

    EDIT: tried looking at the pic again. Are you thinking the rear site is off to the right? If that were the case you'd be shooting right. Look at the flat spot below the sight on each side. Should have even amount and should be way easy to tell witt stock sights.
     
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  11. Grabber GT

    Grabber GT New Member

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    Great discussion. Very informative.
     
  12. 2_Late_I_Won

    2_Late_I_Won New Member

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    It was off by 1.5 feet.

    Well crap that was a punch to the gut. Yeah its over to the right from the factory like that. I wonder if they moved it over trying to compensate either that or I just need way more trigger time to get use to the Glocks. Other than it not being accurate I love the gun. Like I said this is my first Glock and I've only shot about 70 rounds through it.
    Do you think if I got the 3.5lb trigger pull mod it would help that much?
     
  13. jimmyalbrecht

    jimmyalbrecht Glockn Rollin

    I shot terribly my firs couple of magazines with this thing. The 3.5 lb trigger connector helped but also practicing with dry fires and making sure I don't move at all. Get a buddy to load some mags with a few snap caps thrown in randomly and have him give them to you. Watch when you get to a snap cap and see if you are anticipating the recoil or jerking the trigger any at all.
     
  14. Glock22Gen3

    Glock22Gen3 New Member

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    My first 90 rounds I shot to the left and a low just like you described. I thought it was the gun too. I had a nice pattern it just wasn't center target.

    I handed it to someone who's been through 3 hours of training with a personal certified instructor. He shot the last 10 rounds of the 100 I brought the size of a pop can circle dead center at 30', he said, it's not the gun.

    The info jonm61 posted will help you a lot, as well as practice. I was given the same information in a billfold card from the friend that showed me it wasn't the gun!
     
  15. Glock22Gen3

    Glock22Gen3 New Member

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    Holly crap, I read your first post and thought it was inches. Guess I better pay more attention to details. I was only inches.
     
  16. If you are not comfortable with adjusting the sights, take it back where you bought it, to a Glock Armorer or any gun smith. I still cant tell from the pic though.
     
  17. bigbarbour71

    bigbarbour71 New Member

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    Shooting down and to the left is typical for new Glock shooters. I would keep shooting.
     
  18. 2_Late_I_Won

    2_Late_I_Won New Member

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    Awesome Thanks guys you have all been a great help. I really like the snap cap idea!!
     
  19. jimmyalbrecht

    jimmyalbrecht Glockn Rollin

    Yep, just try everything before you conclude it is the gun. Troubleshooting 101, rule everything else out.
     
  20. while throwing a dummy round in the mix is a good training tool for clearing jams and such you probably wont get a real clear picture of whats going on. IMO dry fire practice would show you more because you wont jump since you know there's no BOOM. You'll be able to see exactly how the front site moves or don't move in dry fire.