[Hoopinator]

This last Wednesday, my roommate and I were walking down a fairly busy street, having just left our friend's house.

I have a CCW and usually carry my G19 everywhere I go, but I had been at a bar earlier in the afternoon and as it is against the law, did not bring it with me.

The next thing I knew, I was laying on the ground. All I saw was bright white light and heard some muffled scuffling around. The only thing I really remember is a couple of voices yelling some hate remarks as I curled into a ball and writhed on the sidewalk. Come to find out later I had been jumped by upwards of 12 bikers.

I was able to look up briefly and saw 3 or 4 of them kicking and punching me.

I have a shattered occipital lobe, broken nose, swollen-shut eye, a missing tooth, a bruised timpanic membrane, and two broken ribs.

When I looked up during all of this, I remember reaching for the location of where my gun normally is....FORTUNATELY it was not there.

I honestly believe that if I had pulled it, I would be dead by it.

I don't think there was any chance of anticipating this. I'm normally very aware of my surroundings to the point of being paranoid. The truth is, I don't know what really happened.

I was later told by some witnesses who the perps were..but I have a little too much trepidation to file any charges, because the wrath thereafter might also get me killed.

I have no idea what prompted this.

Needless to say, IF I ever leave my house again, it WILL be with the G19. I just need to figure out how to see through walls.

With a group that big, I don't think a gun would have done anything but got me shot, my piece more-than-likely would have been taken...or worse, used on me. Not to mention the fact that most of them were likely carrying as well.

I'm mad. I can't get it out of my head when I try to sleep. Just mad.

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.

MJ

 

[Glocku]

That sucks man I feel for you. I had a similar situation happen to me years ago. I was walking and got blind sided by someone the guy hit me so hard it lifted me off the ground when I was trying to get up to confront the threat someone came from behind me and yoked me up while the guy who first hit me was teeing of on my face I fell again to get hit with a large branch or stick that knocked me out. I woke up to paramedics all around me with witnesses telling the police what they saw. This happened in broad daylight with numerous people around and no one helped or even try to yell at the attackers. Needless to say I carry everywhere I go. I hope you heal fast brother.take it as a lesson learned I did in my experience.

 

[dwcfastrice]

That's terrible. Your supposition that you may have been disarmed and harmed by your own weapon is VERY valid.

I can only stress one thing: TRAINING.

I was always taught a firearm is only good outside of 10 ft. I know some/many will not agree, but it is imperative to be able to survive when you no longer have your primary tool.

I know you were attacked out of no where, but ALL "weaponless" training styles will train your senses and give you more situational awareness.

If you haven't looked it any training from places like Front Sight (that also offer weaponless training classes), Thunder Ranch, etc., I would highly recommend it. I would also HIGHLY recommend ANY form of martial arts training.

If you're squaring off against 12 people the odds are not in your favor, but you'll need to give yourself a fighting chance.

hope you feel better soon.

D

 

[Hoopinator]

I had a tactical knife in my pocket..but that wouldn't have done any good either. I was so stunned I would not have been effective with it whatsoever. I doubt I could pull it and use it now if I had to and it's been 4 days. I've had some remedial martial arts training and I MAY have had a chance had I seen it coming....I could have at least ran like hell!

 

[havasu]

Can you advise how these bikers were provoked, or did they assume you were someone else? Something said? Maybe it is just me but it seems like I'm not understanding how this transpired.

 

[Hoopinator]

Can you advise how these bikers were provoked, or did they assume you were someone else? Something said? Maybe it is just me but it seems like I'm not understanding how this transpired.

Well...the only thing I can surmise was that it was a hate crime. I've never met nor had any interactions with any of them. I recall having heard "[email protected]" over and over again. I was wearing a light pink polo shirt...Won't be wearing that again.

Actually, it was originally white, but I don't pay attention while separating my laundry.

I don't think they even really needed a reason. That's my first impression anyway.

 

[JulesWinnfield]

This last Wednesday, my roommate and I were walking down a fairly busy street, having just left our friend's house.

I have a CCW and usually carry my G19 everywhere I go, but I had been at a bar earlier in the afternoon and as it is against the law, did not bring it with me.

The next thing I knew, I was laying on the ground. All I saw was bright white light and heard some muffled scuffling around. The only thing I really remember is a couple of voices yelling some hate remarks as I curled into a ball and writhed on the sidewalk. Come to find out later I had been jumped by upwards of 12 bikers.

I was able to look up briefly and saw 3 or 4 of them kicking and punching me.

I have a shattered occipital lobe, broken nose, swollen-shut eye, a missing tooth, a bruised timpanic membrane, and two broken ribs.

When I looked up during all of this, I remember reaching for the location of where my gun normally is....FORTUNATELY it was not there.

I honestly believe that if I had pulled it, I would be dead by it.

I don't think there was any chance of anticipating this. I'm normally very aware of my surroundings to the point of being paranoid. The truth is, I don't know what really happened.

I was later told by some witnesses who the perps were..but I have a little too much trepidation to file any charges, because the wrath thereafter might also get me killed.

I have no idea what prompted this.

Needless to say, IF I ever leave my house again, it WILL be with the G19. I just need to figure out how to see through walls.

With a group that big, I don't think a gun would have done anything but got me shot, my piece more-than-likely would have been taken...or worse, used on me. Not to mention the fact that most of them were likely carrying as well.

I'm mad. I can't get it out of my head when I try to sleep. Just mad.

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent.

MJ

While I can't pretend to know how it feels to be in your position I believe that if I ever find myself in such a situation I would rather be armed and at least have the opportunity to defend myself. As it was, you were completely at the mercy of a bunch of psychopaths and had they felt like they were in the mood for murder you would have wound up on the front page of your local newspaper.

1) Could they have disarmed you? Yes.
2) Could they have been armed as well? Sure.

Either of those two scenarios are about 50/50 really. But it is also just as likely that once they heard that first round go off and saw one of their own go down that they would have turned tail and run cause it's a different story when the rabbit's holding the gun.

As I said I was not in your shoes that night and there is no definitively right or wrong way to react to such a situation. This is just my opinion. I'm just glad that you are still breathing and around to share your story on this forum.

 

[EvilD]

I n this type of situation, situational awareness is the key, if you were carrying would you have been more vigilant?

 

[havasu]

I agree with JW. There are idiots everywhere these days and it is fortunate you are going to be OK.

 

[Hoopinator]

This gang, however has been responsible for NUMEROUS attacks and shootings in the area for over 20 years. The police really don't seem all that interested in doing anything about them though. I don't live in the best neighborhood and this event has hastened my desire to get the heck out of dodge.

About 6 years ago, there was apparently an altercation at a nearby pub and a few bikers shot randomly into the bar through the door, killing one rival biker and wounded 3 patrons. They don't give a hoot about who they inflict their particular brand of violence upon.

 

[havasu]

Just curious. Are you referring to Harley type of bikers? Are they flying colors?

 

[Hoopinator]

I n this type of situation, situational awareness is the key, if you were carrying would you have been more vigilant?

I doubt it. I sincerely doubt I would have had the chance to do anything about it.

If I had notice? If I wasn't completely blind-sighted? You bet your bum I would have shot.

As it was, I didn't even have time to feel pain, let alone time enough to analyze my would-be actions.

 

[Hoopinator]

Just curious. Are you referring to Harley type of bikers? Are they flying colors?

Yes, the Harley type. And they all wore colors.

 

[JulesWinnfield]

This gang, however has been responsible for NUMEROUS attacks and shootings in the area for over 20 years. The police really don't seem all that interested in doing anything about them though. I don't live in the best neighborhood and this event has hastened my desire to get the heck out of dodge.

About 6 years ago, there was apparently an altercation at a nearby pub and a few bikers shot randomly into the bar through the door, killing one rival biker and wounded 3 patrons. They don't give a hoot about who they inflict their particular brand of violence upon.

I noticed in your profile you live in OH. Without giving out too much detail can you say which part of OH? I'm just curious because the type of lawlessness you describe reminds me of that show Sons of Anarchy.

Furthermore, if your local PD is content to ignore crimes perpetrated against its own tax paying citizens I would head over to the nearest FBI field office because what you described, the use of the word fa**ot during the assault, constitutes a federal hate crime irregardless of what your sexual orientation actually is.

 

[GlockIt]

It's horrible to feel that helpless I was attacked in a similar fashion over 5 years ago. It's the main reason why I carry and why I carry 24/7.

Up here in one of our major cities we have a gang of 15 youths who jump random people for fun and then shoot them with a .22 one time. Just be more vigilant and aware of sorroundings. Yes you glock would of helped you as it would of stopped the attack easily. Im sorry this happened to you man and glad that you survived.

 

[Hoopinator]

I noticed in your profile you live in OH. Without giving out too much detail can you say which part of OH? I'm just curious because the type of lawlessness you describe reminds me of that show Sons of Anarchy.

I really don't want to fuel this gang's fire here...I honestly think if I were to pursue this in any legal fashion, it will make it 1,000 times worse for me. Furthermore, while I'm hesitant to blame any particular television show or mindset, we as a society sensationalize the use of violence through almost every aspect of the media and news. What's sad is there really isn't much that can be done to prevent this. (which begs the question, SHOULD anything be done?)

I truly believe that we have seen only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to random violence like this...With the upcoming elections and tensions brewing...with the sure-to-see race violence due to the upcoming Zimmerman case...and with the ease criminals seem to acquire illegal firearms...it's gonna get worse, not better.

We, as responsible gun owners just need to be ready. And as aforementioned: TRAINED.

I've learned a valuable couple of lessons here. When I sort them all out, I'll let ya'll know.

And as far as the "Federal hate crime" aspect of your previous statement...the last thing I need is to become a martyr, especially for something that I don't choose to associate with. I work in media..the sheer aspect of bringing it up could easily lose me my job. (If this whole thing hasn't already)

 

[JulesWinnfield]

I really don't want to fuel this gang's fire here...I honestly think if I were to pursue this in any legal fashion, it will make it 1,000 times worse for me. Furthermore, while I'm hesitant to blame any particular television show or mindset, we as a society sensationalize the use of violence through almost every aspect of the media and news. What's sad is there really isn't much that can be done to prevent this. (which begs the question, SHOULD anything be done?)

I truly believe that we have seen only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to random violence like this...With the upcoming elections and tensions brewing...with the sure-to-see race violence due to the upcoming Zimmerman case...and with the ease criminals seem to acquire illegal firearms...it's gonna get worse, not better.

We, as responsible gun owners just need to be ready. And as aforementioned: TRAINED.

I've learned a valuable couple of lessons here. When I sort them all out, I'll let ya'll know.

And as far as the "Federal hate crime" aspect of your previous statement...the last thing I need is to become a martyr, especially for something that I don't choose to associate with. I work in media..the sheer aspect of bringing it up could easily lose me my job. (If this whole thing hasn't already)

Understood. I just guess you will have to move to a safer area. Good luck.

 

[cnelson120]

I'm sorry this happened to you. Prayers for a speedy recovery. I know it's not much but I always believe what goes around comes around. They will get punished one day. You can count on that. Keep your head high and learn all you can from this and you will come out of it a better and stronger person. God bless you brother.

 

[CountryMick]

Wishing you a full and speedy recovery, Hoop.

 

[bunk22]

You can't train for every scenario and even with a gun, you were already cold cocked.