General Quarters, man your battle stations

sgtcowboyusmc said:

This info has been out there a Yr or so at least. Gun Owners of America put out alerts at least a yr ago. Remember even if Obama and Clinton sign the treaty it has to pass the Senate! The President can not unilaterally get us into a treaty.


In the US, the treaty power is a coordinated effort between the Executive branch and the Senate. The President may form and negotiate a treaty, but the treaty must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Only after the Senate approves the treaty can the President ratify it. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes binding on all the states under the Supremacy Clause. While the United States House of Representatives does not vote on it at all, the requirement for Senate advice and consent to ratification makes it considerably more difficult in the US than in other democratic republics to rally enough political support for international treaties. Also, if implementation of the treaty requires the expenditure of funds, the House of Representatives may be able to block, or at least impede, such implementation by refusing to vote for the appropriation of the necessary funds.
In the US, the President usually submits a treaty to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC) along with an accompanying resolution of ratification or accession. If the treaty and resolution receive favorable committee consideration (a committee vote in favor of ratification or accession) the treaty is then forwarded to the floor of the full U.S. Senate for such a vote. The treaty or legislation does not apply until it has been ratified. A multilateral agreement may provide that it will take effect upon its ratification by less than all of the signatories.[1] Even though such a treaty takes effect, it does not apply to signatories that have not ratified it. Accession has the same legal effect as ratification. Accession is a synonym for ratification for treaties already negotiated and signed by other states.[2] An example of a treaty to which the U.S. Senate did not advise and consent to ratification is the Treaty of Versailles, which was part of the resolution of the First World War.


Now does anyone believe he can get 2/3 of the Senate to commit political suicide? Probably not without some disaster to push the agenda! Having said that I still contact both of my Senators who are against it and express my views! AS Everybody should!

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Kmurray96 said:

Negative. If the Senate is in recess, all he has to do is sign the treaty.

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havik72 said:

It is a tricky thing a constitution!! Just ask those folks down in Venezuela, Chavez didn't start out saying he was going to become a permanent fixture down there, or shove the country fully into a communist lite nation!!! Bend a rule here, ignore one there, and next thing you know we have a treaty in America banning firearms!!! Now I doubt it'll ever happen, but it all starts with a few broken or ignored rules here and there, and then it slips away in an avalanche of "good" intentions!! Best put up a fight on the small stuff and avoid risking the important stuff to ill prepared leaders.

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cutlass327 said:

As we were talking about at work.. This whole gun control debate has been around for YEARS.. .and usually only comes up around election time. The only difference is that we as a group (human race) are getting more and more closely intertwined with the technologies of media to spread and distort the same messages. Remember, a good way to control the public is to keep them in fear. BUT, as my coworker said, TOO MUCH fear brings about the thing they don't want - the public to finally say "Enough!"...

I'm not saying to just downplay it and let it pass... this is how they sneak control from us to Them.. Be vigilant, and don't let them use extreme scare tactics. And unfortunately, those bloggers, infoboard, web cam using, radio hosting, etc people who are trying to do good by 'informing everyone' are actually adding to the plan of the scare tactics. The more that we hear, the more that we can fear...

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