General Quarters, man your battle stations

Discussion in 'Second Amendment & Legal' started by Kmurray96, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. Kmurray96

    Kmurray96 Well-Known Member Supporter

    Very important video from Dick Morris. If you never wrote your Senator or Representative before, you better learn quick. This crap is going down July 27th. The petition he mentions is on his site,

    This ain't no joke kids. This one is the real deal.

    Last edited: Jul 5, 2012
  2. Glock-Siggy

    Glock-Siggy New Member Lifetime Supporting Member


  3. G-23

    G-23 Premium Member

    Why does this stuff come out so late?
  4. cutlass327

    cutlass327 New Member

    Looked more like an advertisement for the book he wrote.. As soon as he picked up that book and made more than one sentence about "get my book", "read my book" etc., I was turned off by it.
  5. sgtcowboyusmc

    sgtcowboyusmc New Member

    This info has been out there a Yr or so at least. Gun Owners of America put out alerts at least a yr ago. Remember even if Obama and Clinton sign the treaty it has to pass the Senate! The President can not unilaterally get us into a treaty.

    In the US, the treaty power is a coordinated effort between the Executive branch and the Senate. The President may form and negotiate a treaty, but the treaty must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Only after the Senate approves the treaty can the President ratify it. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes binding on all the states under the Supremacy Clause. While the United States House of Representatives does not vote on it at all, the requirement for Senate advice and consent to ratification makes it considerably more difficult in the US than in other democratic republics to rally enough political support for international treaties. Also, if implementation of the treaty requires the expenditure of funds, the House of Representatives may be able to block, or at least impede, such implementation by refusing to vote for the appropriation of the necessary funds.
    In the US, the President usually submits a treaty to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC) along with an accompanying resolution of ratification or accession. If the treaty and resolution receive favorable committee consideration (a committee vote in favor of ratification or accession) the treaty is then forwarded to the floor of the full U.S. Senate for such a vote. The treaty or legislation does not apply until it has been ratified. A multilateral agreement may provide that it will take effect upon its ratification by less than all of the signatories.[1] Even though such a treaty takes effect, it does not apply to signatories that have not ratified it. Accession has the same legal effect as ratification. Accession is a synonym for ratification for treaties already negotiated and signed by other states.[2] An example of a treaty to which the U.S. Senate did not advise and consent to ratification is the Treaty of Versailles, which was part of the resolution of the First World War.

    Now does anyone believe he can get 2/3 of the Senate to commit political suicide? Probably not without some disaster to push the agenda! Having said that I still contact both of my Senators who are against it and express my views! AS Everybody should!
  6. Kmurray96

    Kmurray96 Well-Known Member Supporter

    Negative. If the Senate is in recess, all he has to do is sign the treaty.
  7. jonm61

    jonm61 New Member

  8. Danzig

    Danzig I do hood rat sh%t! Supporter

    Rules? Didn't the President say he wasn't going to let Congress stop him from doing the things that needed to be done?
  9. havik72

    havik72 Senior Member

    It is a tricky thing a constitution!! Just ask those folks down in Venezuela, Chavez didn't start out saying he was going to become a permanent fixture down there, or shove the country fully into a communist lite nation!!! Bend a rule here, ignore one there, and next thing you know we have a treaty in America banning firearms!!! Now I doubt it'll ever happen, but it all starts with a few broken or ignored rules here and there, and then it slips away in an avalanche of "good" intentions!! Best put up a fight on the small stuff and avoid risking the important stuff to ill prepared leaders.
  10. wrpNYFL

    wrpNYFL Premium Member Lifetime Supporting Member

    Yep. It sure is frightening. Look at what has been done so far by presidential dictum, I mean executive order. Didn't mean to give the impression that he acts like a dictator... Oh yes I did...
  11. GunnerGSP

    GunnerGSP Active Member

    Check this out...

    You may or may not like his video reviews, but I like what he did here.

    The video description has a pre-packaged letter one can use to send to their senator in opposition to this treaty. If you have trouble wording a letter yourself, use this one and send it in if you agree with what it states.

    Last edited: Jul 15, 2012
  12. cutlass327

    cutlass327 New Member

    As we were talking about at work.. This whole gun control debate has been around for YEARS.. .and usually only comes up around election time. The only difference is that we as a group (human race) are getting more and more closely intertwined with the technologies of media to spread and distort the same messages. Remember, a good way to control the public is to keep them in fear. BUT, as my coworker said, TOO MUCH fear brings about the thing they don't want - the public to finally say "Enough!"...

    I'm not saying to just downplay it and let it pass... this is how they sneak control from us to Them.. Be vigilant, and don't let them use extreme scare tactics. And unfortunately, those bloggers, infoboard, web cam using, radio hosting, etc people who are trying to do good by 'informing everyone' are actually adding to the plan of the scare tactics. The more that we hear, the more that we can fear...
  13. GunnerGSP

    GunnerGSP Active Member

    Personally I am not "scared", but I am concerned about the direction in which this country is headed under this administration (for a number of reasons). I am opposed to this treaty and I feel it important to let my Senators know how I feel about it and why. And I think others should do the same. If we sit back, chillax, and do nothing, then what? Be vigilant? OK, exactly what does that mean within the context of this issue?

    Ultimately, I do not think this treaty will pass the necessary steps to be put in place and I have not lost one minute of sleep over it. But this is America and we have a right to have our voices heard, albeit in a respectful and intelligent manner. If it is passed, I want to know that at the very least I voiced my opposition to it.

    Edit: I was listening to Armed American Radio's broadcast from last week (7/15/12). It is very good and addresses this treaty head on. I have only listened to the first segment, but I would recommend others check it out.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2012
  14. Following is a response I got from one of my senators, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

    Thank you for contacting me about the United Nations (U.N.) Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) and the Second Amendment Sovereignty Act of 2012 (S. 2205). As a supporter of S. 2205, I appreciate hearing from you about this important issue.

    Like many Pennsylvanians, I have long been a supporter of Second Amendment rights. They are of fundamental importance to our nation, and I believe that Americans have a personal, constitutional right to self-protection and to engage in recreational activities involving firearms. In fact, during my previous tenure in the House of Representatives (1999-2005), my record of supporting gun owners' rights earned me an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association.

    That said, I understand and share your concerns about the ATT. As you may know, this treaty was created in 2006 by U.N. General Assembly Resolution A/RES/61/89. Its purpose is to create international standards for the arms trade. Like you, I am deeply concerned by this treaty because of its potential infringement on our right to keep and bear arms. You may be pleased to know that I recently joined 44 of my Senate colleagues in sending a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton opposing ratification of the ATT.

    In addition, Senator Jerry Moran (R-KS) introduced S. 2205 on March 19, 2012. Among its provisions, this measure expresses the sense of Congress that U.S. sovereignty and the constitutionally protected freedoms of American gun owners must be upheld and not be undermined by the ATT. I share your views on the issues underlying this bill and am proud to cosponsor it. S. 2205 is currently pending before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for review. Although I am not a member of this committee, please be assured that I will continue working with my Senate colleagues on advancing this legislation and protecting Second Amendment rights.

    Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
  15. GunnerGSP

    GunnerGSP Active Member

    ^^^^ Right on...

    I doubt my Senators (in MI) feel this way about the ATT. :( Nevertheless, they have heard from me on the matter.