I get a kick out of these people that spend thousands of dollars on shelters and stock piling months of food. Have we as a society dumbed-down that much? It took European technology, tactics and the latest weaponry to fight the native Americans (Indians) for close to 300 years to obtain what amounted to a draw. (We never did defeat the Seminoles) The Maginot Line fell to the Nazis, the Siegfried Line to the Allies. Corregidor fell to the Japanese. Subsequently every fortified Japanese held island fell to the American onslaught. And finally, for over 10 years, America never lost a battle in Vietnam, but North Vietnam won the war. Anybody starting to see the common thread here? History speaks to you if you'll just listen to it. No "fortified" position or base camp can survive if you don't have the cavalry to come to your rescue. And if SHTF, ain't nobody going to have a "force in reserve". If SHTF does happen in our lifetime, learning how to can tomatoes won't be near as important as learning how to make and set a rabbit snare. Long term survival will come down to...see it, kill it, eat it. That means getting your precious hiney to the range and getting proficient in your weapon of choice. And don't be down about the old trusty bow and arrow either. (re: Native Americans...again) Bow hunters will tell you. Many times they can drop a deer and if there's a group standing around, a lot of times they pretty much just stand there dumbfounded. Arrow down the first, shoot the second. Lots of meat for your group. Hell, shoot a wild pig and they'll be in the next county in a heartbeat.