Yeah 21 for hand gun ammo but does anyone want to take a guess on rifle and shot gun ammo your thinking 18 duh nope wrong the laws say 21 for hand gun and shot gun and rifle only 13 yup only 13 now walmart can say no due to company rules but law says 13
Does open carry make you a target?
i recently started to open carry out side of my home. when i go out with friends and such even for simple things like grocery shopping i bring my g22 with me and open carry.
now a friend of mine brought this to my attention, she said it makes her feel weird when i carry because so many people notice and either stare or often times take a double take.
she then proceeded to tell me she feels like if something where to happen we would be targets because i already have shown that i have a gun.
my question is does anyone else feel this to be true? i have thought about it before but feel the benefits of carrying out way the added risk of showing i have it. i am sure this is a topic often talked about amongst those who do carry both cc and open.
i personally due notice of course those who stare or double take but i just ignore them and go on with my shopping and try not to show them any reason to feel threatened by me simply because i have a gun. i dont carry as a image of power or control i simply do it to protect me and mine, god forbidding it ever came down to it.
thanks for the input sorry for the long post
now a friend of mine brought this to my attention, she said it makes her feel weird when i carry because so many people notice and either stare or often times take a double take.
she then proceeded to tell me she feels like if something where to happen we would be targets because i already have shown that i have a gun.
my question is does anyone else feel this to be true? i have thought about it before but feel the benefits of carrying out way the added risk of showing i have it. i am sure this is a topic often talked about amongst those who do carry both cc and open.
i personally due notice of course those who stare or double take but i just ignore them and go on with my shopping and try not to show them any reason to feel threatened by me simply because i have a gun. i dont carry as a image of power or control i simply do it to protect me and mine, god forbidding it ever came down to it.
thanks for the input sorry for the long post
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Federal law, governing all FFL dealers states:fauver52 said:Yeah 21 for hand gun ammo but does anyone want to take a guess on rifle and shot gun ammo your thinking 18 duh nope wrong the laws say 21 for hand gun and shot gun and rifle only 13 yup only 13 now walmart can say no due to company rules but law says 13
Q: Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee?
Yes. Under the GCA, long guns and long gun ammunition may be sold only to persons 18 years of age or older. Sales of handguns and ammunition for handguns are limited to persons 21 years of age and older. Although some State and local ordinances have lower age requirements, dealers are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA. If State law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age, the dealer must observe the higher age requirement.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
Q: May a licensee sell interchangeable ammunition such as .22 cal. rimfire to a person less than 21 years old?
Yes, provided the buyer is 18 years of age or older, and the dealer is satisfied that it is for use in a rifle. If the ammunition is intended for use in a handgun, the 21-year-old minimum age requirement is applicable.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
Here in GA you can OC or CC whatever you choose to do with the GWCL. I pretty much CC all the time due to its easier for me to CC even when I wear my OWB holster I still cover with a shirt. You avoid any unpleasant situations and a very good tactical advantage if noone knows you are carrying.
Ok im not getting in to a pissing contest here thats what my local ffl told me he also told me you can be under 21 and buy 9mm ammo aslong as you say its for a rifle like the keltec sub2000 carbine rifle but i guess your gonna say im wrong there too huh well i guess from now on im just gonna keep my comments to my self . If you would like you can google pulaski pawn and coin and ask for ron hes the owner and you can spit all those fancey laws to himblackwolffcf said:Federal law, governing all FFL dealers states:
Q: Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee?
Yes. Under the GCA, long guns and long gun ammunition may be sold only to persons 18 years of age or older. Sales of handguns and ammunition for handguns are limited to persons 21 years of age and older. Although some State and local ordinances have lower age requirements, dealers are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA. If State law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age, the dealer must observe the higher age requirement.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
Q: May a licensee sell interchangeable ammunition such as .22 cal. rimfire to a person less than 21 years old?
Yes, provided the buyer is 18 years of age or older, and the dealer is satisfied that it is for use in a rifle. If the ammunition is intended for use in a handgun, the 21-year-old minimum age requirement is applicable.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
You didn't read what I posted then cause the second question listed implies the same thing... Oh and, federal law trumps state law all day and night.fauver52 said:Ok im not getting in to a pissing contest here thats what my local ffl told me he also told me you can be under 21 and buy 9mm ammo aslong as you say its for a rifle like the keltec sub2000 carbine rifle but i guess your gonna say im wrong there too huh well i guess from now on im just gonna keep my comments to my self . If you would like you can google pulaski pawn and coin and ask for ron hes the owner and you can spit all those fancey laws to him
Not attacking you, just pointing out the facts not the "he said she said"...
I carry there, I don't see any signs stateing it's illegal or against company policy. Even at the resturaunt entrance it says to check all firearms in at the front, but why would I have to do that if I'm not shopping I'm just goin to eat. I don't see any state statutes in the window so that's how I see the rules there. YmmvDanzig said:Good to see. I was disconcerted by the Blaze post.
Unless it's the state approved 30.06 sign I'm carrying. I wouldn't carry at places I already know have provisions like county, state or federal courthouses.gladesbassin said:I carry there, I don't see any signs stateing it's illegal or against company policy. Even at the resturaunt entrance it says to check all firearms in at the front, but why would I have to do that if I'm not shopping I'm just goin to eat. I don't see any state statutes in the window so that's how I see the rules there. Ymmv
That's interesting about BBS. I saw something similar posted somewhere a while back so was very careful to look for any signage about it at my local BBS. Not only is there NO signs saying carrying is not permitted there but one night I was looking at holsters and told a manager that I wanted to try the holster but I needed to remove the holster I was carrying and that I was carrying a loaded gun. He said, no problem, let's go in the back. He took me in the stockroom and allowed me to draw my Glock, clear it, install the holster and put my gun in it. This was a few months ago. I need to check it out again to see if things have changed.I cc in bass pro all the time, the sign that says "all firearms must but unloaded and checked in at front" has range printed on top of the sign so that doesn't pertain to me when I'm shopping, if I I'm going to the range then I check my firearms in. I took my ccw class in bass pro and my instructor said we could carry concealed in there.
I open carry most of the time, weather permitting. Most people don't even notice though I have alarmed a few sheep and have had a few visits from the Philly PD.
I think I scared off a few young punks that seemed to have shoplifting on their agenda one evening when one of them spotted me and my gun.
I think I scared off a few young punks that seemed to have shoplifting on their agenda one evening when one of them spotted me and my gun.
In the streets of Philadelphia open carry is illegal. Its written In the crimes code. A few visits from philly pd and you haven't been charged with pa cc 6106 (if your not licensed of course) sound too good ti be true. Just saying.priell3 said:I open carry most of the time, weather permitting. Most people don't even notice though I have alarmed a few sheep and have had a few visits from the Philly PD.
I think I scared off a few young punks that seemed to have shoplifting on their agenda one evening when one of them spotted me and my gun.
I believe this should be def your choice. Although some creepers may have a problem with seeing you walk around with it so they may decide to start trouble because that's what punks do. My advice... Just know how to use it! And you will be alright so I go per choice to carry.
Don't worry, I've had my Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms since 2008.In the streets of Philadelphia open carry is illegal. Its written In the crimes code. A few visits from philly pd and you haven't been charged with pa cc 6106 (if your not licensed of course) sound too good ti be true. Just saying.
I actually get a lot of positive feedback when I open carry. My local pharmacist loves it.
Alright Well I'll probably be doing more cc But if it's a quick stop and I don't don't have a shirt on then so be it. Buuut I have asked a few officer's here in UT what they had to say was kinda mean and surprising. They all "basically" said Yes it's legal But they personally would love to hassle you and give you a disturbing the peace ticket if u don't have a CCP and don't look the part of a gun owner. Me I got gauges and tats so I don't don't think fit in that category. Lol. So if I open care it'll b quick and easy.
I think everyone should open carry because its easyer for people to not to mess with u
Being a Concealed Carry and firearms instructor, as well as a LEO, I do have opinions on this. In my experience open carry has a certain intimadation factor attached. Folks that carry don't think twice about someone else carrying, but people who don't carry or who don't like guns are naturally uncomfortable when they see a firearm. I have always told my students to keep the fact that they carry a secret and don't brag or advertise you have a gun. My ultimate goal is to go into a business or any other establishment and no one there even knowing I was even there. The people I know that have or do advertise they have a weapon are always looked at in a different light from that point forward. Now whether you think that is a good thing or a bad thing is personal preference. I carry a gun everyday day at work, so sometimes I get complacent. I have been to town many times and realized I had left my CC gun at home. But then I think to myself, "I'm not setting a very good example for my students if the instructor isn't carrying when they see me.
I would love to cc but unfortunately I can't for another 2 years40caljim said:Being a Concealed Carry and firearms instructor, as well as a LEO, I do have opinions on this. In my experience open carry has a certain intimadation factor attached. Folks that carry don't think twice about someone else carrying, but people who don't carry or who don't like guns are naturally uncomfortable when they see a firearm. I have always told my students to keep the fact that they carry a secret and don't brag or advertise you have a gun. My ultimate goal is to go into a business or any other establishment and no one there even knowing I was even there. The people I know that have or do advertise they have a weapon are always looked at in a different light from that point forward. Now whether you think that is a good thing or a bad thing is personal preference. I carry a gun everyday day at work, so sometimes I get complacent. I have been to town many times and realized I had left my CC gun at home. But then I think to myself, "I'm not setting a very good example for my students if the instructor isn't carrying when they see me.
Exactlty. Open carry without a CCW in a city of the first class (Philadelphia) is illegal on a STATE level.In the streets of Philadelphia open carry is illegal. Its written In the crimes code. A few visits from philly pd and you haven't been charged with pa cc 6106 (if your not licensed of course) sound too good ti be true. Just saying.
http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-firearms/open-carry
Some of you may have heard the audio to this incident, but the rest of the story is told here:18 Pa.C.S. § 6108: Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia
No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in a city of the first class unless:
(1) such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or
(2) such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) of this title (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license).
http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/126083-arrested-philadelphia-police-open-carry.html
OC in Philly can get you a lot of unwanted attention.
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I agree with 40 caljim. I also think that the element of surprise is a good thing, if you do find yourself in an encounter. I also don't want some wise guy grabbing my gun in a crowd. So I figure if no one knows you carry, that's to your advantage. Carry on folks.
Yes and no. Alot of people feel comfortable around guns. On the other hand, alot of people do not. People see a gun in the open thats on anyone but an officer and they feel threatened. I carry openly anyways. I feel like its my right to express my right to bare arms. So I do.
I guess for myself I open carry when I can, regardless what one thinks or says. Here in WA state you can open carry in most places, lets be honest, its a 2nd Amendment right to open or conceal carry provided you have a CCP like here in WA state requires. Worrying what others think or say in my opinion, you shouldn't do either, because obviously you cant respect having a firearm on your side whether its open/conceal carry where in my case I have a CCP and open carry when I can and wherever I can and don't care what others think or say. Yes, it may be true that it poses an element of surprise for criminals to see your open carrying, but at the same time, you cant be thinking about that when your a law abiding citizen.
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