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i recently started to open carry out side of my home. when i go out with friends and such even for simple things like grocery shopping i bring my g22 with me and open carry.

now a friend of mine brought this to my attention, she said it makes her feel weird when i carry because so many people notice and either stare or often times take a double take.
she then proceeded to tell me she feels like if something where to happen we would be targets because i already have shown that i have a gun.

my question is does anyone else feel this to be true? i have thought about it before but feel the benefits of carrying out way the added risk of showing i have it. i am sure this is a topic often talked about amongst those who do carry both cc and open.

i personally due notice of course those who stare or double take but i just ignore them and go on with my shopping and try not to show them any reason to feel threatened by me simply because i have a gun. i dont carry as a image of power or control i simply do it to protect me and mine, god forbidding it ever came down to it.

thanks for the input sorry for the long post :D
 

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Do you have any popcorn? Discussions on this topic get about as heated as discussions about what caliber is best. ;)
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the trolls aren't fed.

Many folks will say that you become a target if you open carry. To a point, this is true. You're a target for gun theft. So if you open carry, get some retention training. If a criminal is INTENT on doing harm to people then yes, you will be the first person taken out.

I postulate, however, that it is not as common as you think and it's perceived that this could be a common occurrence due to media portrayals.

OC can also be a detterent. COMMON criminals do not want anything to do with someone who is OC'ing. If you're a robber, why rob someone who can fight back? Move on to an easier target. Common Criminals don't want the added charge or the risk.

People often site bank robbers as an example. I beg to differ. Common bank robbers want to get in and out as quickly as possible. They don't want the risk of being injured or tacking on an extra charge to the crime they're already committing.

That being said, can OC'ing make you a target? Absolutely. Can it be a deterrent? Absolutely.

I prefer CC b/e it's less hassle, but I do OC when it's convenient (going into the store on the way home from the range). I don't get stares or hassles b/e of how I look when OC'ing. Bearing and appearance have a lot to do with how people perceive you when you OC. ANd we all know that perception IS reality. If you look like you SHOULD have the gun, then most people won't even notice or will just tick it off as "oh, he's LE, etc."

So there you go, my $0.02. Some will disagree, others will agree. I'm a bit old school in the idea that not every criminal is out to get into a violent encounter and not every person is going to get into a protracted gun battle.


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Do you have any popcorn? Discussions on this topic get about as heated as discussions about what caliber is best. ;)
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the trolls aren't fed.

Many folks will say that you become a target if you open carry. To a point, this is true. You're a target for gun theft. So if you open carry, get some retention training. If a criminal is INTENT on doing harm to people then yes, you will be the first person taken out.

I postulate, however, that it is not as common as you think and it's perceived that this could be a common occurrence due to media portrayals.

OC can also be a detterent. COMMON criminals do not want anything to do with someone who is OC'ing. If you're a robber, why rob someone who can fight back? Move on to an easier target. Common Criminals don't want the added charge or the risk.

People often site bank robbers as an example. I beg to differ. Common bank robbers want to get in and out as quickly as possible. They don't want the risk of being injured or tacking on extra charge to the crime their already committing.

That being said, can OC'ing make you a target? Absolutely. Can it be a deterrent? Absolutely.

I prefer CC b/e it's less hassle, but I do OC when it's convenient (going into the store on the way home from the range). I don't get stares or hassles b/e of how look when OC'ing. Bearing and appearance have a lot to do with how people perceive you when you OC. ANd we all know that perception IS reality. If you look like you SHOULD have the gun, then most people won't even notice or will just tick it off as "oh, he's LE, etc."

So there you go, my $0.02. Some will disagree, others will agree. I'm a bit old school in the idea that not every criminal is out to get into a violent encounter and not every person is going to get into a protracted gun battle.


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This is just about as perfect an answer that could have been stated.

I will only add that I'm not much into open carry either. Not that I'm worried about being a target. I'm just not interested in the "man with a gun" calls and dealing with the Police. I just don't have the time or want to be bothered, although I do open carry around the property on the weekends.
 
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I too agree that DWC nailed the answer. I personally do both, sometimes on the same trip. Certain stores/businesses are more likely to be robbed eg. Banks, convienence stores, mom/pop shops...these are the places that I CC for the tactical advantage. I'm always looking at who's around, where the best cover would be, etc. When I hit large establishments like walmart, the grocery store, or Home Depot, I'll OC with the same situational awareness, but also knowing that any type of robery is highly unlikely in these places. A month or so ago I had a kid (just recently 21) approach me in Walmart and ask me if I was a cop. I smiled and politely said no, I wasn't. The conversation progressed and I found out he was from NY and didn't understand the laws out in PA, and was floored that OC was legal. He was also looking at becoming an armed security guard for an armored truck service and wanted to know how to go about it.
So OC'ing can be very beneficial to help make people aware that they have the right to protect themselves, but CC'ing is just as important, but for other reasons.
 

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I conceal for obvious reasons. "Inciting panic". Our chief of police says its better to keep it out of site mostly because no one needs to know you have one. On the other hand, I am asked on a regular basis if I am LE because of my stature and, oh yeah, the hair cut. So I could more than likely pull it off. It's better to have it and not need it...
 

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Seems like everyone so far has hit it on the head. If you do open carry, then present yourself in a confident, calm manner and no one will question you. I do Oc for convenience a lot as well for short runs to the gas station, etc. I just take a little more precautions like if I'm in a store positioning my body where the gun is not on the side where someone else is standing close to me and making sure I have a clear view of the doors, etc.
 

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as much as I would love to cc my state laws will not allow it until I am 21 years of age
Your in AZ right? OC is an normal and everyday thing here. I see alot of people OCing when i CC. I dont think youll be target instead maybe the perp will think twice....plus everyone probably just stears becuase of how young you are.
 

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+1 as well...


I have open carried ever since a first got my glock. Appearance, demeanor, and attitude means everything.

I wear 5.11 clothing, I have a good belt and holster, I wear my baseball cap straight. I am always courteous, sir or ma'am all the time, open doors for people, smile... All this puts people at ease.

A keen sense of awareness is also mandatory, know who is around you, know your area, stay out of questionable situations. Don't be argumentative, don't make a scene. Walk away from confrontational people if need be.

I have never had a problem with OC here in AZ. Neither has anyone I know. If you portray yourself as a good guy, a good citizen, a lifted spirit, then odds are 15/20 people you come across wont even know you are carrying.
 

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+1 as well...


I have open carried ever since a first got my glock. Appearance, demeanor, and attitude means everything.

I wear 5.11 clothing, I have a good belt and holster, I wear my baseball cap straight. I am always courteous, sir or ma'am all the time, open doors for people, smile... All this puts people at ease.

A keen sense of awareness is also mandatory, know who is around you, know your area, stay out of questionable situations. Don't be argumentative, don't make a scene. Walk away from confrontational people if need be.

I have never had a problem with OC here in AZ. Neither has anyone I know. If you portray yourself as a good guy, a good citizen, a lifted spirit, then odds are 15/20 people you come across wont even know you are carrying.
Good answer my friend!

I have to ask though, you are 19 aren't you? I didn't know here in az you were allowed to OC being under 21?
 

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Do you have any popcorn? Discussions on this topic get about as heated as discussions about what caliber is best. ;)
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the trolls aren't fed.

Many folks will say that you become a target if you open carry. To a point, this is true. You're a target for gun theft. So if you open carry, get some retention training. If a criminal is INTENT on doing harm to people then yes, you will be the first person taken out.

I postulate, however, that it is not as common as you think and it's perceived that this could be a common occurrence due to media portrayals.

OC can also be a detterent. COMMON criminals do not want anything to do with someone who is OC'ing. If you're a robber, why rob someone who can fight back? Move on to an easier target. Common Criminals don't want the added charge or the risk.

People often site bank robbers as an example. I beg to differ. Common bank robbers want to get in and out as quickly as possible. They don't want the risk of being injured or tacking on extra charge to the crime their already committing.

That being said, can OC'ing make you a target? Absolutely. Can it be a deterrent? Absolutely.

I prefer CC b/e it's less hassle, but I do OC when it's convenient (going into the store on the way home from the range). I don't get stares or hassles b/e of how look when OC'ing. Bearing and appearance have a lot to do with how people perceive you when you OC. ANd we all know that perception IS reality. If you look like you SHOULD have the gun, then most people won't even notice or will just tick it off as "oh, he's LE, etc."

So there you go, my $0.02. Some will disagree, others will agree. I'm a bit old school in the idea that not every criminal is out to get into a violent encounter and not every person is going to get into a protracted gun battle.


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Good answer, and it saves me from having to pretty much type the same thing!!:D:D
 

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GlockfanAZ said:
Good answer my friend!

I have to ask though, you are 19 aren't you? I didn't know here in az you were allowed to OC being under 21?
The OP is 19 as well...

In AZ you can open carry at 18, conceal at 21.
 

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Do you have any popcorn? Discussions on this topic get about as heated as discussions about what caliber is best. ;)
Hopefully cooler heads prevail and the trolls aren't fed.

Many folks will say that you become a target if you open carry. To a point, this is true. You're a target for gun theft. So if you open carry, get some retention training. If a criminal is INTENT on doing harm to people then yes, you will be the first person taken out.

I postulate, however, that it is not as common as you think and it's perceived that this could be a common occurrence due to media portrayals.

OC can also be a detterent. COMMON criminals do not want anything to do with someone who is OC'ing. If you're a robber, why rob someone who can fight back? Move on to an easier target. Common Criminals don't want the added charge or the risk.

People often site bank robbers as an example. I beg to differ. Common bank robbers want to get in and out as quickly as possible. They don't want the risk of being injured or tacking on extra charge to the crime their already committing.

That being said, can OC'ing make you a target? Absolutely. Can it be a deterrent? Absolutely.

I prefer CC b/e it's less hassle, but I do OC when it's convenient (going into the store on the way home from the range). I don't get stares or hassles b/e of how look when OC'ing. Bearing and appearance have a lot to do with how people perceive you when you OC. ANd we all know that perception IS reality. If you look like you SHOULD have the gun, then most people won't even notice or will just tick it off as "oh, he's LE, etc."

So there you go, my $0.02. Some will disagree, others will agree. I'm a bit old school in the idea that not every criminal is out to get into a violent encounter and not every person is going to get into a protracted gun battle.

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Much agreed! I don't OC very often but when I feel the need to, I do. I think what matters, is what you're most comfortable with.
 

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it could very well be because I am young I am starred at often but I also notice that in my area I hardly ever see any carry.

granted I am sure there are those who cc
 

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The OP is 19 as well...

In AZ you can open carry at 18, conceal at 21.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!!! I waited until 21! I thought it was only long guns could be purchased at 18 :eek:. I had no idea...well ,I learned something new today, thanks!

That sucks though, I could have been carrying since High School lol.
 

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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!!! I waited until 21! I thought it was only long guns could be purchased at 18 :eek:. I had no idea...well ,I learned something new today, thanks!

That sucks though, I could have been carrying since High School lol.
you still can not purchase a handgun from a FLL dealer until you are 21 however you can purchase a handgun at the age of 18 as a private sale. additionally you can't buy ammo for a handgun until you are 21 which is stupid to me but that is the way the law works
 

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Open carry is legal here in Ohio. I really have only seen 1 person doing it..it was at an antique shop, and he was the son of the elderly owner. I have done it walking to the store one time, and I got some crazy looks. I live in a pretty bad neighborhood at the moment, and in retrospect, I don't think it was a good idea. I don't want these degenerates knowing I have a gun, only because I don't want to be the victim of a house-robbery because of that knowledge.

I do OC on my property in my back yard, not visible to the public, and I ALWAYS have it OWB while I'm at home. My roommate thinks I'm nuts, but respects it.

I wish more people around here would OC to desensitize people to it.
 
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Well keep in mind that there are diferent type of targets to...

You may intimidate some criminals and attract other type by open carrying... and if you attract the type of criminals that wont mind if you have a gun, then be sure they will shoot you no matter what, then you lose the element of surprise because they are the ones that going to use it.

In my country Open Carry is illegal, and there are some places where if you Open Carry people are going to come from your back and put a bullet on your head just to steal your gun...
 

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GlockfanAZ said:
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!!! I waited until 21! I thought it was only long guns could be purchased at 18 :eek:. I had no idea...well ,I learned something new today, thanks!

That sucks though, I could have been carrying since High School lol.
The law only past about 2 years ago. So its fairly new...alot of AZ'ers dont know.
 
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