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Either rem 12ga OO buck or



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I use cubic shot. Good penetration without over penetration. Don't need to be putting holes in my walls or hitting my kids.
 

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Overrun military winchester 00 buck-12ga. I have Winchester PDX1 on the saddle, but it would take a special reason to load it. (I live in an urban area, scared of over penetration with the slug).
 

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Remington #1, or sometimes #0, most people don't abide the recoil from #1, but my old Winchester 12's are heavy, and I don't regard it as excessive, or distracting. I've been shooting it in them for years though, so it just feels normal. Might not feel to okay in a lighter shotgun though.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm
 

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SeventiesWreckers said:
Remington #1, or sometimes #0, most people don't abide the recoil from #1, but my old Winchester 12's are heavy, and I don't regard it as excessive, or distracting. I've been shooting it in them for years though, so it just feels normal. Might not feel to okay in a lighter shotgun though.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm
Very informative read, thank you for sharing.
i liked this... "In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body."
 

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#0 has a pretty good following among professional hunters in Africa that have to pursue wounded leopards into thick cover. Cats are thin skinned & the 12 ga is the weapon of choice. #0 being the preferred round. The reduction of shot diameter from #00 to #0 is enough to give you substantially more shot for your pattern, and an addition of total grain wt for the load, without much loss to the diameter of the individual shot pellets.

#1 does have a hefty kick to it in a lighter wt shotgun, puts people off sometimes.
 

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Overrun military winchester 00 buck-12ga. I have Winchester PDX1 on the saddle, but it would take a special reason to load it. (I live in an urban area, scared of over penetration with the slug).
I keep the same military winchester 00 buckshot in mine. Good load, not a bad price either. I also keep 6 more in the sidesaddle as well.
 

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A slug + 3 x 00 buck coming at ya!
Out of curiosity: Why use a slug in HD due to its higher penetrating power? I'm assuming it's a lead slug. My concern is the slug missing the target then penetrating into neighbor's house (depending on line of fire).
 

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I have the reduced recoil Remington 00buck.

What would be the best cartridge for not going through walls, without worrying about having to shoot twice? If you know what I mean
 

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ROYALE-W-CHEESE said:
Out of curiosity: Why use a slug in HD due to its higher penetrating power? I'm assuming it's a lead slug. My concern is the slug missing the target then penetrating into neighbor's house (depending on line of fire).
Good question for those with kids and neighbors, but for those who don't... Why not?
 

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I saw these a couple of months ago and I want some! Right now I have more 12ga on hand than I'll possibly need any time soon, unless the Zombies come...

What about bird shot/ game load? It has the potential to be lethal but won't over penetrate.
Bird shot doesn't penetrate sufficiently into the human body. People have been shot with various bird shot loads and it only barely passed through the skin. If the round won't get to the organs, it's not going to do anything. I'm not sure what game loads you're talking about, but you have to consider what they're made for and how deeply they would need to penetrate the body for a kill shot, then consider that same depth on a human, through clothing.


From recent reading, the only shotgun recommendation I've seen from Dr. Roberts is #1 Buckshot. He said that's the ideal self defense round in a 12ga.


At the moment, I have some low recoil Royal #00, some #4 law enforcement ammo, slugs, though I forget what brand aside from my Aguila mini-slugs that I bought for range use. I have some birdshot tucked away in the back too.

I have the Royal loaded with slugs on the side saddle. I'm in an apartment, but there are three directions I can shoot without having to worry about overpenetration. In the 4th direction, unless we're in the kitchen or bathroom, I don't have to worry about it and between those rooms, there's only one place I could stand and shoot directly at that apartment; any other shots in those rooms would be in a safe direction or, at worst, an oblique angle. If the bad guy's gotten into my kitchen before I have a gun on him, something's very wrong.
 

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