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I have a vacation house in PA and i carry my 19 (2-15 rd magazines of Federal Hydra-Shok 147 grain). Now i haven't had any issues with black bears there but i have neighbors that have. So my question is, would my current load out be sufficient just in case i have a run in with one? The chances may be slim but i would rather be prepared. If anyone has any stories or have had any encounters i would love to hear them. I appreciate any and all help/suggestions.
 

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I think you'll be alright as long as you hit the bear in vital areas. There's a lot of bear you can put 30 rounds into and not hit a vital organ.
 

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Just keep pulling that trigger.
 

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I have a vacation house in PA and i carry my 19 (2-15 rd magazines of Federal Hydra-Shok 147 grain). Now i haven't had any issues with black bears there but i have neighbors that have. So my question is, would my current load out be sufficient just in case i have a run in with one? The chances may be slim but i would rather be prepared. If anyone has any stories or have had any encounters i would love to hear them. I appreciate any and all help/suggestions.

Should ask your neighbors since they have first hand experience dealing with them.;)
 

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Should ask your neighbors since they have first hand experience dealing with them.;)[/QUOTE]

They don't carry or have guns (at least, not to my knowledge) they normally go inside and wait for the bear(s) to leave. Fortunately the one close call they had, their dog was able to deter the bear.
 

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I'm thinking about getting a 10 mm or .357 sig,it would be more practical for me then carrying a S&W .500.
 

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I'm thinking about getting a 10 mm or .357 sig,it would be more practical for me then carrying a S&W .500.

An a lot cheaper. lol. Wish I could help you more but I can only go what I read off of the internet cause I live no were close to Bear country. An that is the first time I have herd of people living by black bears and not having at least one firearm for protection from them.

Her is another good read on the subject: http://www.chuckhawks.com/firearms_defense_bears.htm
 

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An a lot cheaper. lol. Wish I could help you more but I can only go what I read off of the internet cause I live no were close to Bear country. An that is the first time I have herd of people living by black bears and not having at least one firearm for protection from them.

Her is another good read on the subject: http://www.chuckhawks.com/firearms_defense_bears.htm
thanks and idk, they're older people and its a gated community so i guess they feel comfortable with out one. Most people are only up there occasionally. What state do you live in? If you don't mind me asking.
 

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an article I read and agree with…
When camping or hiking, selecting a carry load is a totally different animal(pun intended) than when selecting a home defense round. Outdoors we have many different possible threats and four legged creatures. They come in all sizes, shapes and strengths. We also have lots of open space to absorb a missed shot. When it comes to four leggers, penetration is key. While a rifle would be the best selection, they are hard to carry and not practical while hiking. For this hiking or camping I would use an entirely different strategy than that used for personal defense.
Large cats and feral dogs can be surprisingly resilient. Many feral dogs also travel in packs. When defending yourself against an animal threat, you want to drop it with as few shots as possible, conserving more ammunition to worry about the rest of the pack if need be. If we are to achieve this, penetration is crucial. Make sure you have a good penetrating round such as, full metal jacket rounds, lead semi wad cutter, standard target shooting wad cutters, soft point etc. These rounds fly straight and penetrate deep giving you a better chance of survival and escape to safety. Hollow points are not typically recommended for larger wild animals as they may not penetrate deep enough to hit a vital organ. Knock them down? Sure. Piss them off? You bet. This could be very bad. (Although there are some special hollow points such as Hornady XTP that are made for hunting as well as personal defense.) Remember placement is key, so practice with these rounds as well as yourdefensive loads when you have some trigger time.
When in bear country, magnum is the key word. While a 10 or 12 gauge slug would be great as would many rifles, they are not practical to carry. For bear country you would want a deep penetration round in a minimum of 357 Magnum, 10mm, 41 Magnum, but preferably 44 Magnum, 454 Casull, 460, 480 Ruger, 500SW. We also want the heaviest and fastest hard cast round we can find for penetration. This will give the best odds should a defense be needed. Something to consider, even in these larger calibers. Tests will show that less than 60% of Brown bears are stopped with handguns, and when successful it took at least four shots to stop the charging bear. I think it's quite a feat to be able to deliver a well placed shot into a charging bear, when fear, adrenaline and flashbacks of life are throbbing in your veins. Perhaps a more effective solution exists?
Alternatively, 97% of bears are stopped with a 9oz. can of bear spray. Comparing the percentages, a firearm should actually be carried as a second line of defense should the bear spray prove ineffective. Yes that's right, Bear Spray. A lot of people react very weird when they here this. The ignorant ones will swear up and down that this can not be true, as any handgun is far better than pepper spray. This is because uneducated people think that a handgun is a death ray and shooting anything will deem you victorious. Do not believe these people, the statistics do not lie. When someone states something that starts with, "I think, ...." do yourself a favor and dismiss the claim immediately. "I think" is a huge gamble for something as important as your own life. There is no need to "think" you are correct, when the answers can be found with a simple google search. I am a believer in math, so "I know" that statistically the odds or survival will favor me should I choose the Bear Spray. Remember that pepper spray will be a hell of a lot more effective on a bear than a human. Why? Because their nose is wet. Smell is the bears sharpest sense. Scientists believe a bear can easily smell a carcass over 18 miles away. Shooting Bear Spray at a bear is the equivalent of you shooting it up your nose and into your sinuses. Moreover, it is a free country and people can use whatever stick, hand grenade or advice they choose, but heed this advice that was given to me by a friend who lived in Alaska. "If you are not going to carry Bear Spray along with your handgun, be sure you file down your front sights as smooth as possible. This way it won't hurt as much when the bear takes it from you and shoves it up your ass."
Albeit, if I was to fall in the 3 percentile that was unsuccessful with the stupid can of pepper spray, then my strategy would hypothetically go something like this. Although a bigger caliber would be better, more than likely, I would be stuck with an empty rattle can, and a Glock 20sf 10mm loaded with Buffalo Bore 220 grain hard cast Flat Nose. Sites previously filed down.
I would not attempt a head shot (as some bears have skulls as thick as 4 inches), but rather shoot it in the front two shoulders which will greatly slow the animal and give me a better chance of survival.
If the bear continues or stands up, the belly or heart and other two limbs would be next.
Empty the rest of the magazine into the beast anywhere I could hit it.
Finish pissing myself and run like hell.
Hands down best knowledge and safety tip anyone can give is this... "Knowing where you are going and what type of animal threat there could be, and preparing for such is by far the best defense." Once you know that, choose the appropriate firearm or bear spray or other defensive tool for the trip. Know your surroundings and what you might encounter and be prepared. Remember, a firearm are not a miracle tool or a death ray Han Solo! They will not roast a marsh mellow, and certainly will not change a flat tire. Of course in a bind a 380ACP just might prove to be better than nothing, but when it comes to large wild animals, if you don't have the tools, don't attempt the repair.
And beware, NEVER forget the chocolate and gram crackers. In my experience that could be even worse than a run in with Smokey the Bear.
- Jeff
 

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Yeah, but does bear spray work on the honey badger?
 

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In 9mm vrs black bear.......this would be a case I would agree on some +P+ load like Underwood 147 Gold Dot.

Hell I could see you using a spear! lol :p
 

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There is that salmon commercial from a while back showing groin strikes to be effective against grizzly bears.
 

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In 9mm vrs black bear.......this would be a case I would agree on some +P+ load like Underwood 147 Gold Dot.
That would be my vote too.

With that said, when I lived in the pacNW I carried a pistol. Whatever one fancied me. Seen too many bears on weekly hikes I seen too many and quickly added a shotgun to the load out. Wouldn't hurt to keep one handy if you have a real problem
 
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