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#1 ·
for home defense..........

ok, so i have a Glock 17, with 2 loaded magazines with Federal HST Hollow points.
the gun is in a place i can get to easy enough.

but here's the thing. if i ever have to use it, the police will confiscate it and run thier testing on it, and here (as i was told) they engrave the case number, and other ID remarks into the gun. after they do all that damage to a $600 gun, i'd not be too happy.

so, i have a new Taurus G3c, that cost only about $300. i can easily part ways with the Taurus.

what so you think/say about the situation about not ever getting back a gun from the police, or getting it back, and it's all "mucked up"?

ok next, the Taurus G3c has 12 rd mags. should all 12 rds be loaded, or maybe only 10 rnds?

my Glock for instance has 17 rd mags, but i only load them to 15 rds.

i do not load to the max, only because i do not want the mag springs to be over worked sitting still.

in the end, the Glock will still be "at the ready" as a back up to the Taurus.

i do take each gun (all my guns are in a rotation to go to the range for a work out)

comments? suggestions? advice?

thanks in advance to all respondents.
 
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#2 ·
In my bedroom at night I have a Glock 20 in a biometric drop safe. Usually the gun I carried that day behind my head in cubby on night stand. Which ever carry gun I used that day has a single gun carry bag that has mag holders on the outside of it. Then my body armor is across the room with 2x 10mm mags on it. Oh I usually have a long gun under my bed, that I put back in big safe ever am.
 
#4 ·
for home defense..........

if i ever have to use it, the police will confiscate it and run thier testing on it,

i have a new Taurus G3c, that cost only about $300. i can easily part ways with the Taurus.

the Taurus G3c has 12 rd mags. should all 12 rds be loaded, or maybe only 10 rnds?

in the end, the Glock will still be "at the ready" as a back up to the Taurus.
Your gun may be gone for quite a while before returned if @ all.

Use the throw-away gun since you can easily part with it.

The more rounds you place into an assailant the worse your court hearing will be.

In the end I'd prefer some old gunshow $150 shotgun as a backup.

Note: Do you have insurance for the SHTF event!!! ;););)
Once firearms are present in the home insurance is almost a must have.

Summary: Guns you like and enjoy keep around for enjoyment purposes.
 
#10 ·
thing is, under duress or fear, don't some people "over do it" when shooting in self/home defense?
if i should ever encounter an intruder, i can only hope that i have my faculties about me, and not over do the firing.
i was a actually thinking about the Maverick 88 for a back up shot gun, under $200

Yeah, I'd use the Taurus as primary in your case. What Olga said. Insurance, like USCCA, is imo,a must have. Shotguns are cheap, if you can get one these days, and are known as being purchased for defensive purposes and sporting activities. Cripe, even Biden likes them. :p
i only have ordinary home owners insurance, when i went to the USCCA site, thier monthly rates were a bit too high, and i am on retirement, which with other bills, i cannot budget anymore monies right now.

Where do you live?
Rarely are weapons confiscated in SD/HD situations, and defacing them would be severely chastised and probably have a lot of people lose jobs over it.
Leaving a couple of rounds out of a magazine has been pretty much debunked, but it seems a member here, or was it somewhere else, just chimed in and said he lost spring tension after just a couple of years. I have loaded mags that are still more than serviceable that have been loaded for the better part of the last ten years.
If you are confident enough to trust your life to the Taurus, and the G3 have had stellar reviews, then use that to make yourself feel better.
I would add to inquire about the reality of your local laws, and not rely on internet lore, if you haven't already.
Happy Obsessing
i live up here in New England, and according to at least 4 people either at the range (RSO's) or the gun store, it was what i was told the cops do up here, and that is engraving the court case number into the guns. rather than use say a cardboard tag attached to the gun. i dunno, it was what i was told, i don't know if they actually had that happen to them, or they "heard it" from someone in law enforcement (they all deal with current and former cops as customers).

regarding the not fully loading up magazines? this i heard at least a 1,000 opinions about. some say do not fully load to max, some say load to the max. some say they have had thiers loaded for like 10 years, and no problems. some have said thier springs weakened.

thanks everyone for your opinions/advice.

as for the USCCA, if i can, i will try to find a way to budget for that. but when one is no longer working, extra monies are harder to come by. cuz if it were any easier, i'd be buying a new gun monthly. and i got a lot of guns in mind, i'd like to buy!
 
#5 ·
Yeah, I'd use the Taurus as primary in your case. What Olga said. Insurance, like USCCA, is imo,a must have. Shotguns are cheap, if you can get one these days, and are known as being purchased for defensive purposes and sporting activities. Cripe, even Biden likes them. :p
 
#7 ·
Where do you live?
Rarely are weapons confiscated in SD/HD situations, and defacing them would be severely chastised and probably have a lot of people lose jobs over it.
Leaving a couple of rounds out of a magazine has been pretty much debunked, but it seems a member here, or was it somewhere else, just chimed in and said he lost spring tension after just a couple of years. I have loaded mags that are still more than serviceable that have been loaded for the better part of the last ten years.
If you are confident enough to trust your life to the Taurus, and the G3 have had stellar reviews, then use that to make yourself feel better.
I would add to inquire about the reality of your local laws, and not rely on internet lore, if you haven't already.
Happy Obsessing
 
#8 ·
for home defense..........

ok, so i have a Glock 17, with 2 loaded magazines with Federal HST Hollow points.
the gun is in a place i can get to easy enough.

but here's the thing. if i ever have to use it, the police will confiscate it and run thier testing on it, and here (as i was told) they engrave the case number, and other ID remarks into the gun. after they do all that damage to a $600 gun, i'd not be too happy.

so, i have a new Taurus G3c, that cost only about $300. i can easily part ways with the Taurus.

what so you think/say about the situation about not ever getting back a gun from the police, or getting it back, and it's all "mucked up"?

ok next, the Taurus G3c has 12 rd mags. should all 12 rds be loaded, or maybe only 10 rnds?

my Glock for instance has 17 rd mags, but i only load them to 15 rds.

i do not load to the max, only because i do not want the mag springs to be over worked sitting still.

in the end, the Glock will still be "at the ready" as a back up to the Taurus.

i do take each gun (all my guns are in a rotation to go to the range for a work out)

comments? suggestions? advice?

thanks in advance to all respondents.
why call the police after a home invasion? as long as you and your family are ok. You must know an excavator
 
#14 ·
If taken for evidence, you may or may not get it back. You should, but sometimes things work out stupidly. That said, I've never encountered (or even heard of) a gun being defaced/engraved with the case number or other case-related things on it. It may happen, but I've not seen or heard of it.

I've only personally dealt with one example; probably 5-6 years ago a gun that had been used by a friend's father to commit suicide got returned to the son after the case was closed, and he asked me to clean it for him. (It was a single-action revolver & had his dad's blood, hair and other gunk gumming up the action, and I don't fault him for not being up to that cleaning task.) The gun came back from the sheriff dept in a box that had the case info on it, but the gun itself had no markings that weren't factory original.

On your idea of using the Taurus instead of the Glock in case you do have to use it and end up losing it, I'd still stick with the glock. I have a couple Taurus guns and trust them fine, but imo glock is overall a better gun. Simply put, I wouldn't intentionally use a second-tier parachute if I had a better one available.
 
#16 ·
for home defense..........

ok, so i have a Glock 17, with 2 loaded magazines with Federal HST Hollow points.
the gun is in a place i can get to easy enough.

but here's the thing. if i ever have to use it, the police will confiscate it and run thier testing on it, and here (as i was told) they engrave the case number, and other ID remarks into the gun. after they do all that damage to a $600 gun, i'd not be too happy.



so, i have a new Taurus G3c, that cost only about $300. i can easily part ways with the Taurus.

what so you think/say about the situation about not ever getting back a gun from the police, or getting it back, and it's all "mucked up"?

ok next, the Taurus G3c has 12 rd mags. should all 12 rds be loaded, or maybe only 10 rnds?

































my Glock for instance has 17 rd mags, but i only load them to 15 rds.

i do not load to the max, only because i do not want the mag springs to be over worked sitting still.


in the end, the Glock will still be "at the ready" as a back up to the Taurus.

i do take each gun (all my guns are in a rotation to go to the range for a work out)

comments? suggestions? advice?

thanks in advance to all respondents.
I would use the Glock because it is more reliable and holds more rounds. I would load it with 17 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. You would not be the first person who was up against more that one person and especially with all the stuff going on today.

The springs will be just fine but if you are worried you can buy replacements for next to nothing.

And a $600 gun is insignificant if an incident occurs. Be ready for thousands and thousands of $ in legal bills. The cost of the gun is not worth consideration if any of this happens.
 
#19 · (Edited)
My Buddy's G22 was confiscated over a bogus possession charge(He forgot his CPL). He got it back after 8 YEARS! and case cleared, CPL/CCW reinstated.(USCCA or any other wasn't available then) I didn't buy a Glock to be saved from confiscation just in case I got into a justifiable SD incident. I bought 2 GLOCKS! I'd rather be alive than use in my mind a sub standard weapon my life has to depend on. Geezus, what a lame excuse to carry a sub standard gun. The logic doesn't add up. Neither does NOT carrying USCCA insurance. $22 per month for $650,000 coverage I can afford and I'm also on a low fixed income. You can spend that in one night at McDonald's ffs. Where's your priorities? Who's the retired BB stacker(REAL Anal retentive Bean counter) here? Price is NOT COST!
 
#26 ·
Tyler B (9/30/2020, 10:52:29 AM): Hello, Matthew. Thank you for contacting the USCCA, my name is Tyler. How may I assist you?
Matthew (9/30/2020, 10:53:46 AM): hi Tyler. Got a forum friend I recommended USCCA to. He is a new shooter, not yet permitted in the State of RI, an dis wondering if USCCA coverage would cover him for a home defense situation.
Tyler B (9/30/2020, 10:55:10 AM): A permit is not needed to get our memberships protection, Matthew.
Matthew (9/30/2020, 10:56:16 AM): thanks Tyler. Just saying, suppose he was headed to the range, had an issue, and had to use his gun...you'd have his back?
Tyler B (9/30/2020, 10:57:56 AM): We protect our members in a self defense incident with any legal weapon of opportunity.
Matthew (9/30/2020, 10:58:28 AM): ok, thanks, I'll copy this and show him. Appreciated. Thanks, have a good day.
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no, wife is not permitted.
 
#29 ·
ok first, thank you for contacting USCCA

next, in my state, we are NOT required to retreat, when in our home.

however, if i were in my back/front yard, and had my gun with me, i'd HAVE a duty to retreat, unless my back was up against the wall.

with out a CCW, i'd be charged with firing a gun with-in city limits.

now, if i should shoot someone say going to or coming back from the range, with out a CCW, i'd be charged with carrying a firearm with out a permit. i think if i recall, that's a misdemeanor here.

i'll look further into the USCCA, when i can get up a years worth of membership, as it'll be cheaper than paying monthly.

thanks again!
 
#28 ·
Fortunately I've never had a home break-in, but I was car-jacked back in 1981 in a company vehicle while I was changing a flat tire and didn't have a gun at the time. I lost my wallet and a watch, but no physical harm came to me. It sure scared the crap out of me though because the guy holding the gun was "amped up" on something.
 
#30 ·
I'm glad there are guys out there that do conceal carry, but it's just not for me.
A gun at the ready in my home and in my car is as far as I'm going to take it.
I just don't want the responsibility and I darn sure don't want to pay for any
more insurance which I would think is needed if you're going to CC. I have a
hatred deep in my soul for insurance companies; they are a bunch of damn
crooks themselves.
 
#46 ·
I'm glad there are guys out there that do conceal carry, but it's just not for me.
A gun at the ready in my home and in my car is as far as I'm going to take it.
I just don't want the responsibility and I darn sure don't want to pay for any
more insurance which I would think is needed if you're going to CC. I have a
hatred deep in my soul for insurance companies; they are a bunch of damn
crooks themselves.
Here in Michigan, one must have a CPL/CCW to CC in a vehicle. Insurance companies are like lawyers, a necessary 'evil'. I have a particular distaste for 'Ambulance chasing' lawyers. Bottom feeders IMHO. Unless you have a case that they can make millions on, they wouldn't p!ss in yer face if yer moustache caught fire.
 
#34 ·
I've had 2 tresspassers I'm aware of in 25 years. One got wrapped up in some loose uncoiled roll of chicken wire( that one was hilarious), the other stepped on an upturned garden rake. I like to lay little traps around the sheds, house, and walkways. Aholes are nervous enough, when they trip over something sharp and metallic they seem to lose their nerve.
 
#38 ·
After my friends landscaping business got robbed he told statie he gonna put out his bear traps. Statie said dont do it i will have to arrest you! I say if the person was there to do no good, he surely didnt tell some one "hey im going to rob Jacks house be back in a while" so no one will miss him right? Every state has mine shafts, quarry holes and pig farms
 
#40 ·
A camera that records either to the cloud or to an on-site recorder in a secured area is a very good thing. It makes the cops' and prosecutors' jobs blindingly easy, makes it so the prosecutor goes for a full-court win instead of making a slap-on-the-wrist deal with the scumbags, and makes the cops appreciate how easy you made their job (yes, really, at least in my area). Good, recorded cameras put the scumbags in jail very nicely, you can buy a UHD 4K camera for $75 or less, and a 4K recorder for $250 including a 3 terabyte hard drive.



...a criminal could get hurt very bad stepping on a bear trap...
As would a UPS driver making a delivery, a neighbor coming to check on something strange in my yard while I was gone, a random puppy that crossed the yard, or a kid that got lost in the woods and saw my house as a chance to find help. And if there's nobody around to help them, a bear trap becomes a fatal trap in very short order.

No auto-tripping booby traps on the property for me personally; just as with a tripwire-activated shotgun pointing at your door or other things that kill indiscriminately. Killing indiscriminately seems like a bad idea to me, but I'm funny that way.
 
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#42 ·
This is kinda a different thread...

I’m gonna say is this...if I have to defend my family, my self, and/or my property against a threat to life and limb, I want the best dang weapon I can get.

Southlake asked if we were having this discussion over $600...I’d suggest we are having it over less that $200 (the difference between the Taurus and the Glock)...and that’s nuts.

Quality gun, quality ammo, preplanned steps to mitigate invaders, and basic tactics training to act effectively and make good hits...

all else is just noise
 
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