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#19 ·
Me, too! :D

Best regards,

Bob
I am very much looking forward to your reviews. I saw this product a couple of weeks ago but passed on it due to the price, which seemed really expensive for what it was. I ended up buying a LaserLyte pistol/target combo. I addition, I bought a Pink Rhino 9mm cartridge. I've used the LaserLyte many times and like it. I haven't used the Pink Rhino yet (need to clean my G19 and Shield 2.0 first).
 
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I reviewed/gave feedback for the guy who originally developed the Glocketrainer when he was first trying to see if there would be any interest in the US. It functions fine and works as advertised (easy on/off) but the end result is an extremely lightweight pull without a wall.

If you put a NY2 trigger spring in the Gun with the Glocketrainer you do get a ~4-5lb pull. Still no wall/break but heavy enough to have value for dry fire training. I liked it with the NY2 but if you don’t own multiple pistols, one would have to push the frame pins out every time they wanted to train.

It wasn’t long after working with Glocketrainer that I discovered the SIRT and have never found anything as close to a real Glock trigger - or as easy to train with. My dry fire setup around the SIRT became a meaningful investment but I have never regretted it - especially now.

I never tried the resetting magazine but I have done just about everything else under the sun - resetting triggers, 17R, dummy rounds, laser cartridges, laser reactive targets, MantisX and I’m sure there’s more. The SIRT+LASRApp as the best setup for improving skills that I’ve used. I’d love to try some of the situational software (uses a projector) but doubt I’ll ever make that investment myself.
 
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From my perspective, it's matter of need (want?) and money.

Since I use the 'Call your shots' technique...

Pro Tip: CPL Travis Tomasie on Calling Your Shots | Shooting USA


... I don't need a laser or a MantisX to confirm the POI, especially when dry firing.

What I do need is a trigger that resets to dry fire practice self defense and action pistol shooting.

For example, my indoor practice stage is pictured below.

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As may be noted, there are 3 white barricades, around which (red arrows) I engage 4 sets of 4 small targets (green arrows) with 2 shots per target, moving (yellow arrows) and reloading from the start position to positions 1 - 6 in sequence (white numbers).

Furthermore, I vary the stage execution by sometimes moving right to left, then left to right... shooting right handed, then left handed... and shooting two handed, then one handed.

Obviously, a 'single shot' system won't work for me... I need a resetting trigger.

Currently, I remove the trigger connector to make a 'mushy' resetting trigger so I can 'run the stage', but I'd rather that the trigger have a more realistic 'feel'.

The DryFireMag will (hopefully) address the trigger 'feel' issue, but, unfortunately, given that the DryFireMag doesn't drop freely and must be stripped from the well, it seems that reloading during the run must be sacrificed... plus, given that I use 6 magazines, at $100 per mag, I'm not willing to spend $600 on DryFireMags.

So, my current plan is to sometimes practice without a trigger connector (to practice reloading while moving) and sometimes practice with the DryFireMag (for the 'realistic' trigger).

We'll see how it works out. :rolleyes: :D

Best regards,

Bob
 
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From my perspective, it's matter of need (want?) and money.

Since I use the 'Call your shots' technique...

Pro Tip: CPL Travis Tomasie on Calling Your Shots | Shooting USA


... I don't need a laser or a MantisX to confirm the POI, especially when dry firing.

What I do need is a trigger that resets to dry fire practice self defense and action pistol shooting.

For example, my indoor practice stage is pictured below.

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As may be noted, there are 3 white barricades, around which (red arrows) I engage 4 sets of 4 small targets (green arrows) with 2 shots per target, moving (yellow arrows) and reloading from the start position to positions 1 - 6 in sequence (white numbers).

Furthermore, I vary the stage execution by sometimes moving right to left, then left to right... shooting right handed, then left handed... and shooting two handed, then one handed.

Obviously, a 'single shot' system won't work for me... I need a resetting trigger.

Currently, I remove the trigger connector to make a 'mushy' resetting trigger so I can 'run the stage', but I'd rather that the trigger have a more realistic 'feel'.

The DryFireMag will (hopefully) address the trigger 'feel' issue, but, unfortunately, given that the DryFireMag doesn't drop freely and must be stripped from the well, it seems that reloading during the run must be sacrificed... plus, given that I use 6 magazines, at $100 per mag, I'm not willing to spend $600 on DryFireMags.

So, my current plan is to sometimes practice without a trigger connector (to practice reloading while moving) and sometimes practice with the DryFireMag (for the 'realistic' trigger).

We'll see how it works out. :rolleyes: :D

Best regards,

Bob
Damn John Wayne, you ain’t playing around!:p
 
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I'm a bit confused. Will the LaserLyte stay in after each shot? Or does the LaserLyte eject after the first shot? Also, do you put the LaserLyte in the Dry Fire Mag, insert the mag, and then rack the slide to get the LaserLyte into the chamber? Or do you start with the LaserLyte chambered?
 
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I purchased the Pink Rhino from Amazon at the end of June. I've only tried it once in my G19 Gen 5 and my Shield 2.0. I was using it to shoot at a LaserLyte Target. my recollection is that it didn't work so well with the Shield. For some reason, the LaserLyte didn't register all the "shots." I've been meaning to try the Pink Rhino cartridge again, but lately I've been exhausted when I get home so my dry fire practice has been sparse. If I do dry fire, I use the G19 imitation that came with the LaserLyte; it's a poor substitute for the real thing, but I suppose it's better than nothing.
 
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Looks like the I Target pro that I have. I like my eye pro a lot. Nice thing with the laser bullet is it fits all your guns in stated caliber. Shots get recorded if you want, though lately I've been aiming at random objects. Been practicing "point shooting" lately, skipping the sights. Rack to reset trigger every round, but imo, that's a good workout as well.
 
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For what it's worth, I think the DryFireMag is a GREAT training aid! :D
Now... not so much. :( :confused:

After about 25,000 trigger presses, the DryFireMag failed! :mad:

The spring steel 'clicker' split and rendered the DryFireMag inoperative. o_O

I'll post pictures later this weekend.

For those considering a DryFireMag purchase, be aware that, based on a statistically meaningless sample size of one, the life expectancy seems to be in the low 10's of thousands of trigger presses.

Best regards,

Bob
 
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I'll post pictures later this weekend.
The defective 'clicker' inside the DryFireMag that failed is pictured below. (Note: The 'clicker' is a leaf spring. The 'split' leaf spring pictured no longer 'springs'.)

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Best regards,

Bob
 
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Used the G-Sight for the first time last night, and am very happy with it. The paid 'shot-timer' add-on is well worth the $4.99 each imo. Quite honestly, imo the shot timer function alone is worth the entire cost of the entire setup including the $59 laser cartridge.

Using a DA gun let me run uninterrupted, without having to rack the slide for every shot the way a glock or M&P would require, and that was handy.

Only downfall to it that I've found so far is that the camera (phone, ipod, whatever) needs to be fairly close to the target to fill the screen, even zoomed in. I was using a 5"x7" target at 16 feet which is as far as I can easily get in our storm cellar, and even with the camera zoomed all the way in, at that distance the target filled less than a quarter of the screen. (I tried it with an iPhone 6 and an old iPod both, with similar results.) The obvious easy solution would be to move the camera closer or use a bigger target. But since the camera is also where you activate the app, I prefer having it back where I am; and using a larger target kind of detracts from what I'm trying to use it for. Next time I mess with it I'll maybe grab a couple screenshots, but didn't last night. It's just a minor thing, as the app does work fine as long as I zoom in as much as I can, so it's not really a problem, more of a nitpick. If I mess with it again tonight, I'll try to remember to get some screenshots.

One disappointment (that is completely understandable) is that while the laser cartridge works fine in the three normal 9mm semiauto guns I've tried it in, it's slightly too long to use in the 9mm revolver. The 986 has an intentionally short cylinder to reduce weight (making up the difference with an extra long barrel extension & forcing cone), and the front of the laser cartridge sticks out slightly past the end of the cylinder and so can't rotate into firing position. If the gun had a normal-length cylinder, it would work fine; so no fault of G-Sight as far as I'm concerned.

All in all, it's absolutely worth the money imo. I don't know yet how long the batteries in the little laser unit will last, but it did come with a spare set so I won't be completely dead in the water when they do die. I do plan to look into other calibers they offer laser cartridges for - I'd love to have them in .38spl and .45Colt in addition to the 9mm. The .45Colt version would allow similar practice as for the 9mm revolver, since I have a similar snubnose in .45Colt; plus would allow use with the normal full-size .45 revolvers as well. And having one in .38spl just seems like a no-brainer good idea. For that matter, there's no reason you couldn't use any brand of laser cartridge; the only drawback is that you have to be sure it's one that's activated by the firing pin. A lot of them are constant-on that are intended for bore-sighting and wouldn't be much good for this application.

Anyway, VERY happy with the G-Sight setup. It lets me play (I mean train; yeah, that's what I mean...) without burning up ammo that I'd have to either load or purchase in order to replenish. It lets me use the actual guns I'm wanting to use, which is a huge thing imo. A couple years ago I bought an airsoft G19 and loaded an airsoft shot timer app on my phone to allow similar timed practice without actual ammo use. With this laser approach, there's no CO2 to mess with and no plastic BB's scattered around afterward. It's much better and as long as the laser cartridge doesn't crap out, I expect I'll use it a lot.
 
#55 ·
Yes.

The live fire performance of three different Mantis X3 devices I've tested was fine... dry fire was not.

The devices consistently failed to sense dry fire 'shots'... and, although Mantis tried to 'tweak' the algorithm to eliminate the problem, none of the devices consistently sensed the dry fire trigger breaks properly.

Since I bought the devices for dry fire practice and they couldn't be 'fixed', I returned them.

Most disappointing. :(

Best regards,

Bob
 
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I bought a MantisX about the same timeframe as Bob. Mine does pick up my dry fire shots, BUT I have not put it through any real paces and have not tried any form of resetting trigger. I only rack/fire with a stock gun or w/dummy rounds.

The feedback it gives was so similar to the LASR software I was already using with a SIRT that I didn’t continue dry fire with it. Just tested it out.
 
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Further notes on the G-Sight; used it again the other night and still like it a lot. On the distance issue I mentioned above, this is a screenshot of the 16' distance I'm using it at:


But at that distance it won't register hits at all unless you zoom way in. This is as tight as it goes at 16 feet (that's a 5"x7" notepad sheet):


You can change settings to allow for one shot or multiple shots per string, change the randomized time interval between start beeps, etc. I set mine for five iterations of one shot each, and at the end it gives you a display of your hits (and misses):


As well as per-shot info on reaction & draw time, split times between shots (if you have it set for multiple shots per string), etc.

Mine are slow, running 1.7 to 1.9 seconds at 16 feet. (Sue me; it's an unfamiliar DA gun in a new brand of holster that I've not used before. And if need be, I can probably come up with more excuses... :cool: )

I've never been fast from the holster, but do intend to get somewhat better/faster; that's the whole point of it. I was tempted to use a normal size silhouette target which would definitely help for speed (the sheet of paper is about half the size of a USPSA "A" zone, so this is roughly the equivalent of using an A-zone target at 10 yards), but besides the fact that I like the idea of a smaller target, leaving a silhouette target on the wall all the time would make the room decor a little more ******* guntard than I like.

I did find and order some more laser cartridges (of different brands) in .38spl, 45Colt, and one in 9mm that looks like it might be slightly shorter & work in the revolver. They haven't come in yet, so can't comment on them. Really hope I can get the revolver one figured out; while I carry semiautos for personal defense, I'm really a revolver guy at heart and would love the ability to get a bunch of reps in with the little 9mm snubnose.
 
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Fwiw, the other laser cartridges showed up yesterday afternoon. For the most part they work fine, but there are a couple quirks. The firing pins of a couple of the revolvers say in the extended position when you fire, instead of momentarily poking their head out as a lot of guns do. The Uberti 45LC and the Taurus 450C both do this; the Taurus firing pin staying out like an old-style S&W does (and keeping the laser lit in this case) until you release the trigger, and the Uberti being an old-school 1873 clone, the firing pin stays out even after you release the trigger, until you begin to cock the SA hammer. I knew this, but hadn't considered it until playing with them last night.

One good thing is that the different-brand 9mm cartridges are slightly shorter and will fit in the 986 chamber & let it rotate. They occasionally don't activate in the 986 though. It looks like an issue with excess space between firing pin and 'primer' activator; I expect because the 986 is meant for moonclip use, and the laser cartridge has no rim since it's made to run in a semiauto with the slide potentially being constantly racked to reset the trigger. So with no rim, you can't use a moonclip on the laser cartridge.

Overall still very happy with the setup.
 
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